Plane etiquette… lurgy
Discussion
carreauchompeur said:
Should he have worn a mask? Probably. Is it reasonable not to travel when you’re that obviously afflicted?
Masks don't prevent spread of disease, handwashing works better. Recent meta study finally sealed THAT debate. I'm the same as you, get irritated/slightly nervous maybe when forced next to someone who is under the weather. I've concluded there's absolutely nothing you can do other than requesting a change of seats and cursing your bad luck. carreauchompeur said:
DaveTheRave87 said:
None of the seats recline on newer Ryanair planes. It's bliss.
I agree, its how it should be. "Pre-reclined" is the latest buzzword for "seats that don't recline".
Griffith4ever said:
PastelNata said:
carreauchompeur said:
Alorotom said:
They did you a favour - it’s yet another set of antibodies you’ll have developed.
Planes are public transport and nothing more than that. There is zero reason for anyone to question anyone and frankly it would be none of anyone’s business - if you don’t like it, don’t fly. Simple really (as harass as that is)
That's a really depressing attitude 'not my problem m8' which is starting to become endemic. Consideration for others makes for a generally nicer world. Planes are public transport and nothing more than that. There is zero reason for anyone to question anyone and frankly it would be none of anyone’s business - if you don’t like it, don’t fly. Simple really (as harass as that is)
You sound very much like a nearby neighbour who when politely asked to not park in a position whereby it was near-impossible to navigate the road simply repeated 'not my problem' and then criminally damaged my car, twice. Because nobody should be challenged in life.
The thing is, they shouldn't need challenging, they should have the moral common decency to behave in a fashion that doesn't inflict unnecessary harm upon others where it can be avoided. Sadly, we have seen how terribly some people behave and how disgusting they are during the pandemic.
No one is asking for people with a cold etc to not board public transport but they should be expected to take precautions to limit the spread of what they are carrying. But no, Neanderthal's live among us.
Didn't seem like what is being made out at all.
As said by someone else, if you think that you would, then chinny reckon
popeyewhite said:
Masks don't prevent spread of disease, handwashing works better. Recent meta study finally sealed THAT debate.
Read my post from early this afternoon - masks don't protect the wearer, but they DO prevent the wearer from sharing whatever germs they've currently got. That IS from a scientific study as to how cold/flu/Covid-type viruses spread and specifically how and when they aerosolise.
...which is why in many Asian nations it's still common, but in the selfish West it was ditched quickly even during Covid.
RemarkLima said:
Agreed, and there's so much BS here... I defy anyone to cancel a flight to or from holiday because they have a cold.
As said by someone else, if you think that you would, then chinny reckon
What's wrong with wearing a mask?As said by someone else, if you think that you would, then chinny reckon
...or at the very minimum, coughing/sneezing into your sleeve, not into open air for everyone to enjoy?
I caught Covid again last month. When I was feeling mostly better I had to go back into work...so I wore a mask on the train so as to be courteous. It's not f
king difficult, nor is it that big a deal.havoc said:
Read my post from early this afternoon - masks don't protect the wearer, but they DO prevent the wearer from sharing whatever germs they've currently got. .
I'm off.
otolith said:
There should be reclining and non-reclining sections, so that if you book the former you have no grounds to complain if the person in front of you uses the seat as designed.
That is what business class and first class are for. So people can have more space at their own expense, not at yours.grumbledoak said:
otolith said:
There should be reclining and non-reclining sections, so that if you book the former you have no grounds to complain if the person in front of you uses the seat as designed.
That is what business class and first class are for. So people can have more space at their own expense, not at yours.
havoc said:
RemarkLima said:
Agreed, and there's so much BS here... I defy anyone to cancel a flight to or from holiday because they have a cold.
As said by someone else, if you think that you would, then chinny reckon
What's wrong with wearing a mask?As said by someone else, if you think that you would, then chinny reckon
...or at the very minimum, coughing/sneezing into your sleeve, not into open air for everyone to enjoy?
I caught Covid again last month. When I was feeling mostly better I had to go back into work...so I wore a mask on the train so as to be courteous. It's not f
king difficult, nor is it that big a deal.So basically pointless for either way. I'll see if I can find the study but it was a real world study.
Remember, as soon as you touch the mask it's game over and needs to be changed, and you'll need to change it every few hours... So not going to happen in real life, despite what keyboard warriors will tell you.
Coughing and sneezing into an elbow probably makes the most sense, along with hand cleaning.
Anyway, I was calling BS on someone cancelling a holiday because they have a cold.
popeyewhite said:
If you can breath through a mask you can pass germs out.
Erm:-1) Oxygen and Nitrogen atoms are a few of orders of magnitude (if not more) smaller than even the smallest virus*.
2) Germs don't exist in isolation in our body. They're not floating in the air our lungs waiting to be breathed out. They can only survive in some form of liquid, typically the mucus that our body secretes. And mucus CANNOT pass through a mask. Hence my comments regarding the aerosolisation of the liquid droplets AFTER they've been coughed/sneezed out of the body.
God, did no one pay any attention in school science classes...
* This size is the point behind FFP3 masks, specifically.
Eh I thought that aerosol meant they [the virus] would be suspended in the air and doesn't need to "live" (no virus is alive) in anything whilst in transmission... I'm sure the details have evolved further since our high school days of basic science.
Anyway, read here:
https://www.cochrane.org/CD006207/ARI_do-physical-...
Even when they were mandated, no one bothered so there's basically no chance now.
As said, you can drive, swim, unicycle to your destination - otherwise it's public transport. The reality is flying is still so cheap for what it is and for cost per mile vs time is mega efficient so you have to suck up the downsides.
Anyway, read here:
https://www.cochrane.org/CD006207/ARI_do-physical-...
Cochrane Study said:
We obtained the following results:
Medical or surgical masks
Ten studies took place in the community, and two studies in healthcare workers. Compared with wearing no mask in the community studies only, wearing a mask may make little to no difference in how many people caught a flu-like illness/COVID-like illness (9 studies; 276,917 people); and probably makes little or no difference in how many people have flu/COVID confirmed by a laboratory test (6 studies; 13,919 people). Unwanted effects were rarely reported; discomfort was mentioned.
N95/P2 respirators
Four studies were in healthcare workers, and one small study was in the community. Compared with wearing medical or surgical masks, wearing N95/P2 respirators probably makes little to no difference in how many people have confirmed flu (5 studies; 8407 people); and may make little to no difference in how many people catch a flu-like illness (5 studies; 8407 people), or respiratory illness (3 studies; 7799 people). Unwanted effects were not well-reported; discomfort was mentioned.
Hand hygiene
Following a hand hygiene programme may reduce the number of people who catch a respiratory or flu-like illness, or have confirmed flu, compared with people not following such a programme (19 studies; 71,210 people), although this effect was not confirmed as statistically significant reduction when ILI and laboratory-confirmed ILI were analysed separately. Few studies measured unwanted effects; skin irritation in people using hand sanitiser was mentioned.
Anyway, I'm sure there's enough mask debates here - this is about plane etiquette of which there is little, and basically no one is going to wear a mask, or bother wearing it properly.Medical or surgical masks
Ten studies took place in the community, and two studies in healthcare workers. Compared with wearing no mask in the community studies only, wearing a mask may make little to no difference in how many people caught a flu-like illness/COVID-like illness (9 studies; 276,917 people); and probably makes little or no difference in how many people have flu/COVID confirmed by a laboratory test (6 studies; 13,919 people). Unwanted effects were rarely reported; discomfort was mentioned.
N95/P2 respirators
Four studies were in healthcare workers, and one small study was in the community. Compared with wearing medical or surgical masks, wearing N95/P2 respirators probably makes little to no difference in how many people have confirmed flu (5 studies; 8407 people); and may make little to no difference in how many people catch a flu-like illness (5 studies; 8407 people), or respiratory illness (3 studies; 7799 people). Unwanted effects were not well-reported; discomfort was mentioned.
Hand hygiene
Following a hand hygiene programme may reduce the number of people who catch a respiratory or flu-like illness, or have confirmed flu, compared with people not following such a programme (19 studies; 71,210 people), although this effect was not confirmed as statistically significant reduction when ILI and laboratory-confirmed ILI were analysed separately. Few studies measured unwanted effects; skin irritation in people using hand sanitiser was mentioned.
Even when they were mandated, no one bothered so there's basically no chance now.
As said, you can drive, swim, unicycle to your destination - otherwise it's public transport. The reality is flying is still so cheap for what it is and for cost per mile vs time is mega efficient so you have to suck up the downsides.
grumbledoak said:
otolith said:
There should be reclining and non-reclining sections, so that if you book the former you have no grounds to complain if the person in front of you uses the seat as designed.
That is what business class and first class are for. So people can have more space at their own expense, not at yours.I get the feeling they could split the planes in half. One half reclined and maskless, the others masked and bolt upright :-0
RemarkLima said:
I thought that the latest study showed that masks were ineffective against aerosol transmission, as really it's in your breath and that will go through and around the mask.
Coughing and sneezing into an elbow probably makes the most sense, along with hand cleaning.
Anyway, I was calling BS on someone cancelling a holiday because they have a cold.
To this and your other post with the link on...Coughing and sneezing into an elbow probably makes the most sense, along with hand cleaning.
Anyway, I was calling BS on someone cancelling a holiday because they have a cold.
The study I read (major publication - CDC/Lancet, something like that) talked about the droplets when they leave your mouth being too large to suspend in the air (which is why initially they said Covid wasn't airborne), but then realising that the act of the larger droplets travelling through the air at speed breaks them up, to the point that they usually aerosolise before hitting the ground. Which is why masks are ineffective for the wearer - anything you breathe in gets through any mask less than a well-fitted FFP3.
Are some droplets small-enough when they leave the mouth? Don't know...can't remember all the details, possibly. But as infection is a numbers game, anything you can do to reduce the numbers helps, IYSWIM. (In this case helps someone else, not you)
Coughing into elbow/sleeve & hand cleaning - agree 100%. It's what I do and I only bother with a mask now if I've got something nasty (beyond simple cold) and have to travel. And I wouldn't cancel a f'n holiday unless I needed hospitalisation...that's excessive.
otolith said:
grumbledoak said:
otolith said:
There should be reclining and non-reclining sections, so that if you book the former you have no grounds to complain if the person in front of you uses the seat as designed.
That is what business class and first class are for. So people can have more space at their own expense, not at yours.
Griffith4ever said:
grumbledoak said:
otolith said:
There should be reclining and non-reclining sections, so that if you book the former you have no grounds to complain if the person in front of you uses the seat as designed.
That is what business class and first class are for. So people can have more space at their own expense, not at yours.I get the feeling they could split the planes in half. One half reclined and maskless, the others masked and bolt upright :-0
havoc said:
Are some droplets small-enough when they leave the mouth? Don't know...can't remember all the details, possibly. But as infection is a numbers game, anything you can do to reduce the numbers helps, IYSWIM. (In this case helps someone else, not you)
Where does this crap keep coming from? "It's a numbers game so we have to keep on doing the things that don't work!""Every little helps" was an Asda marketing slogan, not a science degree.
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