Official 2023 Saudi Arabia Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***
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GiantCardboardPlato said:
yes its easy they just needed someone to do the simple job of writing clear regulations like yours..
by the way, the driver is within 0.5m of the car when he's sat in it, and they're normally a person. Also, the pit gantry for the wheel guns and their air lines, and the stop/go light they use (all equipment) is likely 0.5m of a car in normal pit stops.
edit - I've just thought of a another loophole - you say people or equipment can't approach with 0.5m until the penalty is served. If the people are already standing where they are and the car drives up to within 0.5m of them then that rule isn't broken. the car approaches them.
so simple!
personally I don't think it's vague. I think lifting a car isn't working on it. I think that assembly, or disassembly, or reassembly, or a change of configuration (e.g. wing angle) is working on a car. I think lifting a car is moving a car. The status/state of the car or any of its components is unaffected by being lifted. When it's put back down again if no work has occurred the car will function identically and all of the parts are the same.
The other side of that argument is that pit crew can't work on the car if the car isn't lifted with the jacks, so therefore lifting it must be an integral part of 'working on the car'.by the way, the driver is within 0.5m of the car when he's sat in it, and they're normally a person. Also, the pit gantry for the wheel guns and their air lines, and the stop/go light they use (all equipment) is likely 0.5m of a car in normal pit stops.
edit - I've just thought of a another loophole - you say people or equipment can't approach with 0.5m until the penalty is served. If the people are already standing where they are and the car drives up to within 0.5m of them then that rule isn't broken. the car approaches them.
so simple!
personally I don't think it's vague. I think lifting a car isn't working on it. I think that assembly, or disassembly, or reassembly, or a change of configuration (e.g. wing angle) is working on a car. I think lifting a car is moving a car. The status/state of the car or any of its components is unaffected by being lifted. When it's put back down again if no work has occurred the car will function identically and all of the parts are the same.
I don't know why they don't just have a penalty box outside the FIA garage where they have to wait for 5 seconds before proceeding to their team pit box, just like when they have to go on the weighbridge in qualifying.
thegreenhell said:
I don't know why they don't just have a penalty box outside the FIA garage where they have to wait for 5 seconds before proceeding to their team pit box, just like when they have to go on the weighbridge in qualifying.
This "sin bin" idea would be much simpler and easier to control and police, and if there were a situation where once driver needed to visit the box and it were already occupied ..... tough! Get in the queue.vaud said:
mat205125 said:
Get in the queue. or go around again if there's no room to queue ....... and blame your team for not telling you to abort in time, if they could see others coming in to serve penalties
Wouldn't work at some pits (like Monaco) where there is so little space. You just let them serve it within X laps, allowing the team to decide if it is likely to be empty. Thought of Monaco when I refrained from suggesting a "joker lap" situation, especially given the amount of real estate that'd be needed to add five seconds to a lap duration.
honda_exige said:
Watching your hate boners for RB and Max really is entertaining 
Radio transcript below, Checo never even asked to go for fastest lap so ergo, wasn't told not to go for it.
And as Horner said, Checo made an attempt for fastest lap of his own volition, screwed up sector 1 and abandoned the attempt.
Checo is a clever chap, he seems to intentionally play the victim card to engender support.
Also shows that RB weren't asking him to go slower than Max, they asked for a 32.6, the same laptime as Max.
Hi mate, can I ask where you got the transcripts?Radio transcript below, Checo never even asked to go for fastest lap so ergo, wasn't told not to go for it.
And as Horner said, Checo made an attempt for fastest lap of his own volition, screwed up sector 1 and abandoned the attempt.
Checo is a clever chap, he seems to intentionally play the victim card to engender support.
Also shows that RB weren't asking him to go slower than Max, they asked for a 32.6, the same laptime as Max.
Edited by honda_exige on Monday 20th March 08:25
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sparta6 said:
honda_exige said:
Hamilton saying the RB is the most dominant car he's ever seen.
Gave me a little chuckle that he'd forget 2014 and 2016 already. Spain 2014 they lapped every car up to 6th!
https://the-race.com/formula-1/hamilton-2023-red-b...
Gave me a little chuckle that he'd forget 2014 and 2016 already. Spain 2014 they lapped every car up to 6th!
https://the-race.com/formula-1/hamilton-2023-red-b...
straight into drama queen 5 mins after his nanny disembarked.
Wollf disagrees:
Lewis Hamilton - who knows a thing about domination, having experienced it for a number of years with Mercedes - said he had "never seen a car so fast".
"When we were fast, we weren't that fast," the seven-time champion said. "That is the fastest car I have seen compared to the rest."
His team principal Toto Wolff disagreed - "we have had those years when we were as strong," he said - but then underlined the hard truth that Red Bull are demonstrating this year, just as Mercedes did from 2014-16 and again in 2020.
In 2014/16/20I think the advantage Redbull have now is very similar to what Mercedes had in the early years of the hybrid era. I just hope Perez can keep Verstappen as honest over the course of a season as Rosberg generally did Hamilton.
This may not be the most dominant car we've seen in recent seasons, but it is potentially the most dominant car and driver pairing since Schumacher was at Ferrari. Personally, I have no problem with that as long as they are all above board from now on; if Redbull can build a car a second a lap quicker than everyone else, they deserve to win everything. That's what F1 has always been about.
This may not be the most dominant car we've seen in recent seasons, but it is potentially the most dominant car and driver pairing since Schumacher was at Ferrari. Personally, I have no problem with that as long as they are all above board from now on; if Redbull can build a car a second a lap quicker than everyone else, they deserve to win everything. That's what F1 has always been about.
Edited by kambites on Monday 20th March 18:35
kambites said:
I think the advantage Redbull have now is very similar to what Mercedes had in the early years of the hybrid era. I just hope Perez can keep Verstappen as honest over the course of a season as Rosberg generally did Hamilton.
Yep, agreed. But there's no way Perez will be any kind of consistent threat to Verstappen.Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff