RE: MST blows our minds with incoming Metro 6R4

RE: MST blows our minds with incoming Metro 6R4

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MST blows our minds with incoming Metro 6R4

Not content with sitting on its Escort-based throne, MST is now priming an Audi-engined, all-new 6R4 for 2024


We’ve written a lot about Motorsport Tools (MST), the engineering firm based in North Wales. That’s because what they produce is PH gold. It all started as a supply of parts for Mk1 and Mk2 Ford Escorts and has developed, over the years, into the supply of the most exquisite recreations of Escorts. Well, they’re not officially sanctioned, so they’re not called a Ford or an Escort - but they are officially exquisite. MST builds the entire body shells from the ground up itself, so what is delivered at the end of the process is a brand new Mk1 or Mk2 with a new registration plate from the DVLA.

We hadn’t heard much from MST in a while but then, last night, it sent out a Facebook post showing pictures of a 6R4 body under the heading ‘***The All New 6R4 coming soon***’. Obviously, we were straight on the phone to MST’s manging director, Carwyn Ellis, to find out more. Apparently, it all started after a conversation with Innovative Composites, which supplies carbon body panels for 6R4s. If there’s already a supply of body panels available, Ellis wondered, could MST make a bodyshell? So off he went and somehow found the original 6R4 jigs – he didn’t say how, exactly, but one wonders whether a phone call to Williams, which produced the original 6R4, was involved.

This is far from a fully-fledged car, with lots yet to be decided, so don’t expect a complete specification just yet. The project has been taking shape over the last couple of years, and here’s what we know so far – and this is straight from the horse’s mouth. Needless to say, it all centres on that new 6R4 shell. That’s built in-house, in steel, and based on the original steel monocoque with its integrated roll cage. It’s only the bodywork that differs significantly, being lightweight carbon fibre instead of the original’s GRP.

The suspension is produced by MST based on the original car’s set-up, but the springs and damps are still TBC. The final choice MST goes for will depend on various factors, but it’s likely to be a supplier that’s currently producing 6R4 components rather than starting from scratch. They will be motorsport-grade components and most likely three-way adjustable units.  

The gearbox is a six-speed sequential transmission. That and the differentials for the four-wheel drive system are sourced from Sadev. And what about the engines? Well, you could have an original 6R4 naturally aspirated 3.0 V6 with around 400hp if you so desire. The problem with that is sourcing an original engine, as well as the associated cost: you’re talking between £40,000-£50,000, and that’s for something that still might need a rebuild. There is an alternative, though.

It's still a 3.0-litre V6, but supplied new by Audi – the EA837 engine from the B8 S4 and the original SQ5. It's a 24-valve 90-degree all-alloy V6 with forced induction rather than naturally aspirated, as per the original car. It’s an Eaton supercharger rather than a turbo providing the boost, though. Effectively it's supplied as a crate engine from Audi, and was rated up to 354hp with 347lb ft of torque (in the SQ5). Ellis suggested that the plan is to offer it with no mechanical upgrades as a rule. However, a Motortech ECU should allow it to develop around 450hp in the 6R4. If you want to go further, then MST will look at upgrading the mechanicals to effectively make it a motorsport specification engine.

Speaking of motorsport specification, MST will build two distinct versions of the 6R4. One will be a road version, with a plusher interior trimmed in Alcantara, and the other will be a stripped-out, lightweight track version. Ellis expects to have cars ready for delivery by the end of 2024 at the earliest, although that might roll into the beginning of 2025. The intention is to build around 10 cars per year. I asked him what the interest has been like so far. He said, “The Facebook post went out last night and this morning I already have 100-odd emails to sift through from people who are interested.”

The other question I asked him was how much? He told me they are so far away from finalising everything that he couldn't say for sure - but when pressed he said "probably around £300,000".  To put that into context, an original 6R4 would cost somewhere £150,000-£300,000, judging by what’s come up for sale recently. Better get in line. Which you'll be able to do at our 25th-anniversary party - MST is already among our confirmed exhibitors. One of literally thousands of reasons why you should be seeking out a ticket immediately...


 

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MDMA .

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Looks like MST are bringing back the 6R4. New shells/builds coming in 2024.


Caddyshack

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If these are anything like the escorts these will be brilliant. What a great idea!

Any idea on cost yet?

MDMA .

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Their MK1 Escorts start at £85k I think. 6R4 is going to be a mid mounted V6 and 4wd, so I’d guess at £100k plus.

Caddyshack

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MDMA . said:
Their MK1 Escorts start at £85k I think. 6R4 is going to be a mid mounted V6 and 4wd, so I’d guess at £100k plus.
Not bad when you think of what a real 6r4 now costs.

SweptVolume

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Is there any more info? How are they doing this? How much of the car will be new parts/newly engineered?

The original 6R4 engines were highly strung and unreliable for road cars (they were competition engines, after all) and I hear cost a huge amount in routine maintenance, so I presume these will feature an alternative. What about transmission, suspension, brakes, interior etc?

dudleybloke

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Nice!

poo at Paul's

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Can’t tell you how much I’d love on of them!
My mate at school’s dad worked for unipart and when grp B was banned, the road cars were being sold off and he could get them for 12k iirc! My Dad jammed and aahhhd but never went for it! To put that I pserpective, his company cars were cortinas and were about 3k in them days.

200Plus Club

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Stunning, and compared to some resto car companies absolutely vfm

don logan

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SweptVolume said:
Is there any more info? How are they doing this? How much of the car will be new parts/newly engineered?

The original 6R4 engines were highly strung and unreliable for road cars (they were competition engines, after all) and I hear cost a huge amount in routine maintenance, so I presume these will feature an alternative. What about transmission, suspension, brakes, interior etc?
The “road” / Clubman cars didn’t exactly make much power so not sure they were highly strung, wasn’t it more to do with the fact that they were literally thrown together for the sake of just getting then built?



Edited by don logan on Tuesday 21st March 23:38

pocketspring

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Want. Now. Immediately.

Go fund me here I come! bowrofl

ajprice

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What engine is the V6 going to be? The original was 3/4 of a Rover V8 and wasn't used in anything else (as far as I know except for the XJ220 engine being a developed from it). The MST mk1 and mk2 use Duratec or Millington 4 cylinders (Millington don't do a V6).

Ford Duratec V6? Jaguar AJ30 V6 (as used in the MX5 Rocketeer conversion)?

fttm

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Caddyshack said:
MDMA . said:
Their MK1 Escorts start at £85k I think. 6R4 is going to be a mid mounted V6 and 4wd, so I’d guess at £100k plus.
Not bad when you think of what a real 6r4 now costs.
First thought was wow , but who’s going to buy them ? Currently they command big money and a lot of that is due to their history and rarity , who wouldn’t like a full fat 6R4 in their garage ? These new cars, not really suitable for road use , certainly not competitive against the newer R5 cars in rally form for I’d imagine similar money . Great idea just not sure his huge investment will pay off ,happy to be proved very wrong .

pocketspring

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Ford 3.5L V6 Ecoboost would be good.

Coatesy351

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ajprice said:
What engine is the V6 going to be? The original was 3/4 of a Rover V8 and wasn't used in anything else (as far as I know except for the XJ220 engine being a developed from it).
The cut down Rover V8 was only used in testing. The V64V fitted to the final product had nothing to do with a rover V8. Had more in common with a Cosworth DFV.

gazza285

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It would make more sense to put in a turbocharged four pot.

Hol

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ajprice said:
What engine is the V6 going to be? The original was 3/4 of a Rover V8 and wasn't used in anything else (as far as I know except for the XJ220 engine being a developed from it). The MST mk1 and mk2 use Duratec or Millington 4 cylinders (Millington don't do a V6).

Ford Duratec V6? Jaguar AJ30 V6 (as used in the MX5 Rocketeer conversion)?
First thought is that it will need to be a brand new crate engine, so that it gets a current year registration.

If they badge it as an MST produced car like the (not a Ford) Escorts then they could theoretically use a Audi lump if they wanted.

I’d be also interested to see what drivetrain they will use.

Hol

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poo at Paul's said:
Can’t tell you how much I’d love on of them!
My mate at school’s dad worked for unipart and when grp B was banned, the road cars were being sold off and he could get them for 12k iirc! My Dad jammed and aahhhd but never went for it! To put that I pserpective, his company cars were cortinas and were about 3k in them days.
Late 90’s I remember spectating a sprint rally in Portsmouth and a truck rolled in with two of them on the back.

The owner/driver then proceeded to (use one of ops trademark catchphrases) ‘Dominate’ the home built competition.

It was a bit like watching an R35 GTR on a Peugeot 106 track day.

Caddyshack

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gazza285 said:
It would make more sense to put in a turbocharged four pot.
It probably would but the purists would want a v6, I wonder if the evija engine would be the option as they are available to buy in crate form?

ChevronB19

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poo at Paul's said:
Can’t tell you how much I’d love on of them!
My mate at school’s dad worked for unipart and when grp B was banned, the road cars were being sold off and he could get them for 12k iirc! My Dad jammed and aahhhd but never went for it! To put that I pserpective, his company cars were cortinas and were about 3k in them days.
Ditto with my dad, although for some reason (I’m almost certainly wrong) I seem to remember them being offered for £18k.