Wiggly white lines in Clevedon

Wiggly white lines in Clevedon

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Red9zero

5,212 posts

44 months

Thursday 19th January
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stemll said:
Hang on, there is a cycle lane then parking (in the middle of the road) and then the rest is a "normal" one way road?

If the wiggly bit is meant to stop people parking on that bit of the middle of road, surely you just paint "No Parking"
The way it's laid out doesn't really encourage people to use the cycle lane. In fact I doubt even kids will use it. There is another road in the town that is one way with a cycle lane on the right going the other way. It's all very odd.

CraigyMc

15,127 posts

223 months

Thursday 19th January
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I'm relatively sure it's this bit of road they've done that to.
--> https://goo.gl/maps/NKmd6kEfhCCjEH6A6

markymarkthree

1,677 posts

158 months

Thursday 19th January
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Clevedon bod here.
Its a total joke what North Somerset Council have done here. They did a sneaky consultation during lockdown 1, which very few folk knew about. There has been a 6000 signature petition against it which the council ignored. £500,000 was the original budget, which is now running at £700,000+ and you will all be pleased to know that the money has come from the Gov, or should i say you and me.
NSC also has a 17 million debt.

markymarkthree

1,677 posts

158 months

Thursday 19th January
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CraigyMc said:
I'm relatively sure it's this bit of road they've done that to.
--> https://goo.gl/maps/NKmd6kEfhCCjEH6A6
Yep that the road The Beach, which has gone from having 66 parking spaces, 1 coach pull in, room for Mr Wippy, to 24 parking spaces.

Edited by markymarkthree on Thursday 19th January 18:24

CraigyMc

15,127 posts

223 months

Thursday 19th January
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markymarkthree said:
Clevedon bod here.
Its a total joke what North Somerset Council have done here. They did a sneaky consultation during lockdown 1, which very few folk knew about. There has been a 6000 signature petition against it which the council ignored. £500,000 was the original budget, which is now running at £700,000+ and you will all be pleased to know that the money has come from the Gov, or should i say you and me.
NSC also has a 17 million debt.
Historically the townsfolk would have simply burned officialdom that was acting contrary to their interests.

Now we have to arrange voting and things. It's so boring.

Red9zero

5,212 posts

44 months

Thursday 19th January
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CraigyMc said:
Historically the townsfolk would have simply burned officialdom that was acting contrary to their interests.

Now we have to arrange voting and things. It's so boring.
It is Clevedon, so probably best to hide the matches laugh

2 GKC

1,663 posts

92 months

Thursday 19th January
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I live there. You don’t cross the wiggly lines, there’d be no reason to. They’re opposite driveways and designed to stop people parking opposite them. The whole thing is a clusterfk that only a Council could come up with. There’s a 10 foot wide cycle lane that goes nowhere and cars parking between that and the one way road.

Wills2

20,535 posts

162 months

Thursday 19th January
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It's mental and only a council could come up with such a baffling idea whilst spending other peoples money, across the country they are all mostly unfit for purpose..taking their lead no doubt from the national gov we currently have.


Bill

49,946 posts

242 months

Thursday 19th January
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Sounds bonkers, but I can't get the link to work. frown

stemll

3,513 posts

187 months

Thursday 19th January
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Bill said:
Sounds bonkers, but I can't get the link to work. frown
Nor could I but a quick Google for "wiggly lines Clevedon" reveals a few links

https://metro.co.uk/2023/01/10/somerset-wiggly-roa...

E63eeeeee...

2,354 posts

36 months

Thursday 19th January
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2 GKC said:
I live there. You don’t cross the wiggly lines, there’d be no reason to. They’re opposite driveways and designed to stop people parking opposite them. The whole thing is a clusterfk that only a Council could come up with. There’s a 10 foot wide cycle lane that goes nowhere and cars parking between that and the one way road.
How else would you arrange it? Surely it would make less sense to have the parked cars between the cycle lane and the pavement forcing cars to cross the cycle lane to park.

Bill

49,946 posts

242 months

Thursday 19th January
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stemll said:
Nor could I but a quick Google for "wiggly lines Clevedon" reveals a few links

https://metro.co.uk/2023/01/10/somerset-wiggly-roa...
Where's the fun in that? wink

Cat

2,832 posts

256 months

Thursday 19th January
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Yellow Lizud said:
Not quite sure what you are trying to argue here - we're both saying the same thing!
I'm not trying to argue anything, you asked me if I was sure about I had posted in reply to mac96 and I said I was.

Yellow Lizud said:
"There is no such thing as a single solid white line in the centre of the road" is exactly the same thing as "The line is not a prescribed regulatory road marking"
The two statements are not the same thing at all. Clearly there is there is such thing as a single solid white line in the centre of the road - there's one in Clevedon for a start. Just because it's not a prescribed marking doesn't mean it can't exist silly

Yellow Lizud said:
Of course there is no legislation that makes it an offence to cross such a line because such a line does not exist.
In which case this statement, which you posted earlier, makes no sense at all

Yellow Lizud said:
Even if it did exist somewhere I do not believe it would be legal to cross over the line.
Such a line exists in Clevedon and you appear to accept that there is no legislation relating to it so why do you believe it wouldn't be legal to cross it?

Cat

2 GKC

1,663 posts

92 months

Thursday 19th January
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E63eeeeee... said:
How else would you arrange it? Surely it would make less sense to have the parked cars between the cycle lane and the pavement forcing cars to cross the cycle lane to park.
I’d have left it as it was. Used to be two way traffic, and cars parked perpendicular to the sea front with no cycle lane.

markymarkthree

1,677 posts

158 months

Friday 20th January
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2 GKC said:
E63eeeeee... said:
How else would you arrange it? Surely it would make less sense to have the parked cars between the cycle lane and the pavement forcing cars to cross the cycle lane to park.
I’d have left it as it was. Used to be two way traffic, and cars parked perpendicular to the sea front with no cycle lane.
As said, should have been left as was. The only thing worth changing was the speed reduction to 20mph, which could have been achieved without all the other nonsense. As it is now, cyclists have to cross the road to enter and exit the 200m cycle lane.


Edited by markymarkthree on Friday 20th January 08:02

Electro1980

7,639 posts

126 months

Friday 20th January
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surveyor_101 said:
Yex GTR said:
So someone new to the area suddenly notices the wiggly white line and decides to serve to the left to try to not cross it. They immediately enter the cycle lane and kill a cyclist or two.

How is that going to go down in a court?
High Risk----- I would say as the summer months a lot of northerners holiday in that area! Weston Super Mare just down the road!


If a fatality occurred I think the local council would liable!!! They have made up road markings, that are deliberately misleading and to cause confusion! Only someone at a local council who had never had a real job could dream up such a stupid idea!

Edited by surveyor_101 on Thursday 19th January 13:44
Yes, because some paint on the road is responsible for someone not looking where they are going… rolleyes

E63eeeeee...

2,354 posts

36 months

Friday 20th January
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Electro1980 said:
surveyor_101 said:
Yex GTR said:
So someone new to the area suddenly notices the wiggly white line and decides to serve to the left to try to not cross it. They immediately enter the cycle lane and kill a cyclist or two.

How is that going to go down in a court?
High Risk----- I would say as the summer months a lot of northerners holiday in that area! Weston Super Mare just down the road!


If a fatality occurred I think the local council would liable!!! They have made up road markings, that are deliberately misleading and to cause confusion! Only someone at a local council who had never had a real job could dream up such a stupid idea!

Edited by surveyor_101 on Thursday 19th January 13:44
Yes, because some paint on the road is responsible for someone not looking where they are going… rolleyes
Exactly. If any amount or type of paint on a road would cause you to drive into a cyclist, or any other road user, you shouldn't be driving.

stemll

3,513 posts

187 months

Friday 20th January
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Indeed but, when a council spokesman is quoted as saying "‘A wavy line provides uncertainty to the driver", surely that is the last thing that any road design should be doing!

surveyor_101

5,069 posts

166 months

Friday 20th January
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stemll said:
Indeed but, when a council spokesman is quoted as saying "‘A wavy line provides uncertainty to the driver", surely that is the last thing that any road design should be doing!
Its that public admission that they intended for the the road markings to create uncertainly!! along with our inherited, litigious trend from the USA, that makes me feel the council have left themselves wide open for liability!

Whilst common sense predicts people would not follow the bizarre road markings don't conform to the highway code.

The whole lets confuse people so they slow down makes no sense!

Yellow Lizud

2,266 posts

151 months

Friday 20th January
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E63eeeeee... said:
Exactly. If any amount or type of paint on a road would cause you to drive into a cyclist, or any other road user, you shouldn't be driving.
The whole point of any amount or type of paint on a road is to cause you NOT to drive into a cyclist, or any other road user. If the white line does not fulfil that requirement then it is not fit for purpose.