Wiggly white lines in Clevedon
Discussion
E63eeeeee... said:
Exactly. If any amount or type of paint on a road would cause you to drive into a cyclist, or any other road user, you shouldn't be driving.
Safety is not about whether a dead cyclist should have been killed or not.Putting stupid and surprising things on the road that leads to confusion about where a driver should be reduced safety.
That's why we have a set of guidelines as to how signage and road markings should be consistently used.
Drivers are imperfect which is why we build a road network to make it as easy as possible to do the right (safe) thing.
Yellow Lizud said:
E63eeeeee... said:
Exactly. If any amount or type of paint on a road would cause you to drive into a cyclist, or any other road user, you shouldn't be driving.
The whole point of any amount or type of paint on a road is to cause you NOT to drive into a cyclist, or any other road user. If the white line does not fulfil that requirement then it is not fit for purpose. Brings to mind "more paint more danger" and would certainly give pause for thought encountering it for the first time but to me this makes a mockery of the reasoning behind road markings in the first place.
Many road users appear confused by existing signage/markings that are self explanatory to anyone with an interest in driving so I doubt that this kind of approach would improve things.
Road signage is far too 'busy' as it is.
Many road users appear confused by existing signage/markings that are self explanatory to anyone with an interest in driving so I doubt that this kind of approach would improve things.
Road signage is far too 'busy' as it is.
E63eeeeee... said:
Yellow Lizud said:
E63eeeeee... said:
Exactly. If any amount or type of paint on a road would cause you to drive into a cyclist, or any other road user, you shouldn't be driving.
The whole point of any amount or type of paint on a road is to cause you NOT to drive into a cyclist, or any other road user. If the white line does not fulfil that requirement then it is not fit for purpose. With your logic there would be no white paint anywhere and there would never be any accidents because we should all know not to drive into other road users.
Yellow Lizud said:
E63eeeeee... said:
Yellow Lizud said:
E63eeeeee... said:
Exactly. If any amount or type of paint on a road would cause you to drive into a cyclist, or any other road user, you shouldn't be driving.
The whole point of any amount or type of paint on a road is to cause you NOT to drive into a cyclist, or any other road user. If the white line does not fulfil that requirement then it is not fit for purpose. With your logic there would be no white paint anywhere and there would never be any accidents because we should all know not to drive into other road users.
I suspect a lot of lines are primarily there to make traffic flow better rather than for safety, but can't really be bothered to develop that idea. Do lines in the middle of the carriageway stop you driving into oncoming traffic? Is it the line on the verge that stops you driving down the pavement or into the hedge?
Yellow Lizud said:
E63eeeeee... said:
Yellow Lizud said:
E63eeeeee... said:
Exactly. If any amount or type of paint on a road would cause you to drive into a cyclist, or any other road user, you shouldn't be driving.
The whole point of any amount or type of paint on a road is to cause you NOT to drive into a cyclist, or any other road user. If the white line does not fulfil that requirement then it is not fit for purpose. With your logic there would be no white paint anywhere and there would never be any accidents because we should all know not to drive into other road users.
Red9zero said:
From more paint, more danger to less paint, less confusion. I'm not expecting old ideas to catch on but...
https://fee.org/articles/dropping-traffic-rules-an...
In my daily life I'm an Independent Road Safety Consultant.
As part of the design and construction of this scheme independent Road Safety Audits should have been carried out which should have prevented this chaotic situation.
I have sent an FOI to North Somerset requesting copies of these audits (assuming they were carried out).
Watch this space
As part of the design and construction of this scheme independent Road Safety Audits should have been carried out which should have prevented this chaotic situation.
I have sent an FOI to North Somerset requesting copies of these audits (assuming they were carried out).
Watch this space
Edited by LordBretSinclair on Tuesday 31st January 17:55
LordBretSinclair said:
In my daily life I'm an Independent Road Safety Consultant.
As part of the design and construction of this scheme independent Road Safety Audits should have been carried out which should have prevented this chaotic situation.
I have sent an FOI to North Somerset requesting copies of these audits (assuming they were carried out).
Watch this space
As part of the design and construction of this scheme independent Road Safety Audits should have been carried out which should have prevented this chaotic situation.
I have sent an FOI to North Somerset requesting copies of these audits (assuming they were carried out).
Watch this space
markymarkthree said:
I can assure you all they have not gone. They have burnt away a few of the separation lines but the wiggly ones are still there.
I got all excited when I saw the pic on Facebook ! I assume they are just having a rejig ? You will need to go down there for some proper pics for us, as the SOS Facebook group is obviously not to be relied on 
5s Alive said:
From more paint, more danger to less paint, less confusion.
I'm not expecting old ideas to catch on but...
https://fee.org/articles/dropping-traffic-rules-an...
There are other streets in the county where N Somerset council have embraced the shared space movement and streets where they’ve removed markings completely. I'm not expecting old ideas to catch on but...
https://fee.org/articles/dropping-traffic-rules-an...
No idea what the thinking was here other than what they built didn’t match the final consultation drawings.
https://n-somerset.inconsult.uk/gf2.ti/-/1249250/1...
All the coloured surface dressing has not been implemented which would have made the wiggly lines make more sense.
Red9zero said:
markymarkthree said:
I can assure you all they have not gone. They have burnt away a few of the separation lines but the wiggly ones are still there.
I got all excited when I saw the pic on Facebook ! I assume they are just having a rejig ? You will need to go down there for some proper pics for us, as the SOS Facebook group is obviously not to be relied on Wiggles are still there, plus a few new obstacles for us all to avoid. 
Wiggle plus a goon who failed to see the loading space provided for him.
New roundabout (or helipad ) has appeared, where there was never one before. Plus white car parked in motorcycle bay.
Plus this has appeared overnight, poss for Mr Whippy ?
Wiggle plus a goon who failed to see the loading space provided for him.
New roundabout (or helipad ) has appeared, where there was never one before. Plus white car parked in motorcycle bay.
Plus this has appeared overnight, poss for Mr Whippy ?
Edited by markymarkthree on Wednesday 1st February 10:22
Edited by markymarkthree on Wednesday 1st February 10:34
Those look like solid metal bollard they aren't cycle route thermoplastic, if a cyclist hits those they will know about it!
The thermoplastic cycle path or shared space ones are cheaper and design to be more forgiving.
Other than that as it doesn't follow guidance it will confuse northern holiday makers
The thermoplastic cycle path or shared space ones are cheaper and design to be more forgiving.
Other than that as it doesn't follow guidance it will confuse northern holiday makers
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