Plane etiquette… lurgy

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carreauchompeur

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17,591 posts

191 months

Wednesday 22nd February
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I am just putting this out there as I’m feeling sorry for myself.

Flew back from Singapore on Saturday. 14.5hr flight. We were one row behind the exit row as it allowed my very tall partner to have the elongated window seat.

I was trapped behind a very portly man who immediately reclined…annoying. However what was more annoying was that he was hacking away throughout the entire flight. Snotty nose, the works. Proper cold.

The Singaporean cabin crew looked uncomfortable but said nothing, as is the customer-focused way. I didn’t say anything, since I just didn’t want an uncomfortable flight.

However I’ve now come down with his cold and it’s bloody horrible. And for the third time in as many months I’m off work, which I hate.

I discussed this with partner and we couldn’t think of the correct answer. Should he have worn a mask? Probably. Is it reasonable not to travel when you’re that obviously afflicted?

Raccaccoonie

1,629 posts

6 months

Wednesday 22nd February
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My brother got COVID in Brazil and flew back.funny thing was he very pro mask pro COVID lockdown, now he doesn't care.

I think a mask wouldn't do much the air is recirculated unless you maybe wear 2 and change them every few hours.

Mabbs9

904 posts

205 months

Wednesday 22nd February
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It's basic etiquette in any public place imo. Shame he didn't care. Hope you get better soon!

Edited by Mabbs9 on Friday 24th February 06:48

fiatpower

2,483 posts

158 months

Wednesday 22nd February
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carreauchompeur said:
I discussed this with partner and we couldn’t think of the correct answer. Should he have worn a mask? Probably. Is it reasonable not to travel when you’re that obviously afflicted?
I guess the reasonable not to travel bit is dependant on distance and cost. I wouldn't cancel a booked flight from Singapore to the UK because I had a cold. I would now probably think twice about travelling on the train into the office now that WFH is a more widespread thing.

However I would say he should have worn a mask to try and prevent spread. I'm far from a pro masker however I do think the wearing of a mask whilst you have a cold/flu like illness is socially the right thing to do (as it has been in the far east for a while). I don't think it's a coincidence that I didn't have a cold for 3 years whilst masks were more prevalent and as soon as they stop being worn I get hit by a nasty cold.

gotoPzero

15,533 posts

176 months

Wednesday 22nd February
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Raccaccoonie said:
I think a mask wouldn't do much the air is recirculated unless you maybe wear 2 and change them every few hours.
Depends on aircraft but most modern AC systems filter quite well and use good filters and in addition the air is generally fed from outside rather than re-circulated over and over.

2 GKC

1,663 posts

92 months

Wednesday 22nd February
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I take greater issue with the immediate reclining.

Rick101

6,807 posts

137 months

Wednesday 22nd February
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gotoPzero said:
Depends on aircraft but most modern AC systems filter quite well and use good filters and in addition the air is generally fed from outside rather than re-circulated over and over.
So I hear. I also hear a huge number of people getting sick after being stuck in a cabin for several hours with other sick people.

carreauchompeur

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17,591 posts

191 months

Wednesday 22nd February
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2 GKC said:
I take greater issue with the immediate reclining.
Yes, it was quite annoying, particularly since his short female companion was as far back as she could go.

Mark and i generally get extra legroom seats since he is 6'7" and make sure to be considerate and enjoy the fact we can stretch out in front without squashing the pax behind!

gotoPzero

15,533 posts

176 months

Wednesday 22nd February
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Rick101 said:
gotoPzero said:
Depends on aircraft but most modern AC systems filter quite well and use good filters and in addition the air is generally fed from outside rather than re-circulated over and over.
So I hear. I also hear a huge number of people getting sick after being stuck in a cabin for several hours with other sick people.
I think its luck of the draw tbh and depends how close you are sitting really.

RemarkLima

2,082 posts

199 months

Wednesday 22nd February
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The issue is that how was he supposed to delay his flight?

Let's say you've gone to Singapore for work / holiday and the day before you return you start to feel ill.

The airline will not change the your flight, so you lose £700 maybe? Maybe more... Then you still need accommodation, food and water whilst there, costing you however much more, that's if you can stay.

Then you have work, family, other stuff that you're flying for... Generally people don't take a 14 hour flight for sts and giggles.

So, with the shoe on the other foot, and if you had a cold, what would you do? How much cost and agro would you suffer to be polite? Or do you think, fk it, I want to get home / to the destination?

HTP99

20,967 posts

127 months

Wednesday 22nd February
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Pre Covid you wouldn't have even mentioned it, why post Covid does everyone get so jittery, would you have worn a (useless) mask pre Covid OP, if it was you on that plane who had a cough, of course not!

Rick101

6,807 posts

137 months

Thursday 23rd February
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croyde

21,207 posts

217 months

Thursday 23rd February
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Seems to be nearly everyone I know gets a cold or Covid flying back from holidays.

Luckily nobody has caught anything on the way out though wink

pocketspring

2,389 posts

8 months

Thursday 23rd February
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Rick101 said:
You can also cosplay like Sub Zero.

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21,458 posts

188 months

Thursday 23rd February
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carreauchompeur said:
Is it reasonable not to travel when you’re that obviously afflicted?
i wouldn't cancel travel plans if i had a cold, doubt any reasonable person would.

i haven't masked up in public for over a year but still wear one whilst flying. even pre covid i have caught cold on planes, i'd have worn one back then had the thought occurred to me.

Aventador 700

576 posts

8 months

Thursday 23rd February
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We picked up covid on the way in for an orlando holiday last year, then the latest lurgey at a cabaret dinner in Sitges.

we’d already said no more long haul flights after florida and now we avoid crowded places altogether tbh, just cant be arsed with catching further disease that seems to go on for weeks.

We live in central europe so are happy to use roads as we have nice cars, even happy to employ a chauffer if needs be, ferries we dont mind as people contact is minimal and only ever 1 night

Eat outside at restaurants or chef to wherever we’re renting, we’re not into mixing with people much anyway as they’re so inconsiderate in the way the op mentions, so we dont lose that aspect of holidaying, which many like confused

We’re finding if very agreeable in fact and finding ourselves doing things we might not have done before, been a pleasant surprise, so far.. car tours seem very good, all in your own car and just wave at other participants, all sit outside dining on arrival, or we do anyway hehe

grumbledoak

30,929 posts

220 months

Thursday 23rd February
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A mask would have made no difference at all. You are sharing everyone's breath and farts for 14 hours and dealing with the consequences.

It would be nice if people would stay home when they are sick. Better policies from airlines might help, but inconsiderate people still won't do it.

On the actual, achievable change side, I think the reclining seats in cattle class should be welded upright, and the armrests fixed in position so the fat knackers can't spill all over you.

Spend more.

Douglas Quaid

2,004 posts

72 months

Thursday 23rd February
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Unless he had a respirator with separate air tank like firemen wear a mask would've made no difference. Those cloth/surgical masks do nothing to stop viruses, they’re just for show.

You just have to accept you’ll get ill after a flight. That’s life.

Take some paracetamol and get well soon.

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21,458 posts

188 months

Thursday 23rd February
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grumbledoak said:
It would be nice if people would stay home when they are sick. Better policies from airlines might help, but inconsiderate people still won't do it.
this isn't meant as a dig at you, but how come whenever someone else does it they're inconsiderate, but when we do it, it's different? for a lot of people flying is just public transport.

i fly regularly for work [none since xmas, but 8 scheduled for march], and my elderly parents are a 7hr flight away. i'd fly when feeling under the weather for the former, and under any circumstances for the latter.

Griffith4ever

2,508 posts

22 months

Thursday 23rd February
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carreauchompeur said:
2 GKC said:
I take greater issue with the immediate reclining.
Yes, it was quite annoying, particularly since his short female companion was as far back as she could go.

Mark and i generally get extra legroom seats since he is 6'7" and make sure to be considerate and enjoy the fact we can stretch out in front without squashing the pax behind!
You need to upgrade a class, or, accept that in economy there is so little room that people are going to recline as much as they can. That's economy for you. You get what you pay for. Only time I don't recline in economy, is if its a meal time. That's stty behaviour, and not uncommon.

If it really bothers you, an upgrade to Premium is enought to get you loads more room.

As for colds, unfortunately, this has been happening for ever. I fly most years to SE Asia and have caught colds on the outbound flight several times, once from someone a few seats away that was as ill as hell. What can you do if you can't move? Best advice is take your own mask.

I'm absolutely NOT pro mask (covid), and I wore one very little during the 'demic, but BEFORE it all kicked off, we started taking masks on our economy SE Asia flights so we had one to hand if we sat near someone very ill again, as it was laying waste to the 1st week of the holiday. I felt it was up to us to act, not tell the ill guy what to do. Ironically, the super ill guy on one flight, who we called "Ebola man", he was that bad, wore a mask, but he pulled it down to cough...

This year we flew business class. No colds, no close contact with grubby strangers, good sleep :-) We flew maskless throughout Thailand, 6 internal flights, caught the rammed metro from Suvernabuhmi, all maskless. Not so much as a sniffle. Ironic the 1st year we don't catch anything is the 1st year Thailand reopened after covid!

One trip we caught colds in Bangkok on arrival, and then 7 weeks later, got on a tube from LHR to London fully of snotters, and caught another minger of a cold there and then!

p.s. Colds are spread by decent sized droplets / contact with the person's snot. Hence I think a mask can help (if they sneeze in your general direction). I watched a fascinating Mythbusters where they tested the theory of how much you spread your snot about simply by touching things, then other people touching and passing it on. I went to a pal's house over a week ago. He and his Mrs had stinkers (colds) - coughing loads etc. I had drinks with them, went to the pub with one of them, then stayed with them. I made damn sure not to share a glass, or touch anything they were using. I didn't catch the cold.

Edited by Griffith4ever on Thursday 23 February 08:09