RE: Final EU vote on 2035 engine phaseout delayed

RE: Final EU vote on 2035 engine phaseout delayed

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DonkeyApple

48,965 posts

156 months

havoc said:
DonkeyApple said:
All places in the U.K. where the population desperately needs to walk more!!

Suicide and murder by lard is a particularly egregious way for people to kill themselves or murder their children as it takes so long and costs everyone else so much money. Decades of giving them lard vouchers while they not only consume all the biscuits but all the resources of the NHS and local social services.
rolleyes

Would you like to try walking your young kids 3-4 miles to the next village (where the nearest school is), down country roads with no paths? In winter?

Do yourself a favour - use your brain before posting st, eh?



As to your other points:-
1) How is that going to work for a village when the nearest supermarket or shopping centre is 10 miles away or more in the nearest town. And those 'remote charging points' have to service a dozen similarly-afflicted villages?

2) How is that going to work when the battery is a structural part of the car (as per the link above, and as confirmed by Tesla among others). And given how much a replacement battery costs (and will continue to cost, given the weight/quantity of materials/amount of labour required), even assuming they can be swapped-out without hours of labour on top, how is that going to help someone who can only afford to buy a car worth a few grand at most?

3) How is that going to work for a family that can't GET credit?


Once again, you're viewing all this through YOUR perspective, and not even bothering to think that there's a whole host of issues facing those who live in the countryside and aren't minted enough to have a nice farmhouse with plenty of off-road parking. Either that or you don't give a fk as long as you're alright, just like half of PH posters nowadays...
So you're stating that people who live in villages are all too thick to work out how to use an EV?

What's the frothing about having to walk 3 miles to school in winter?

What's the issue with driving to a supermarket?

You seem to be quite angry and random about made up things. Please don't go and join that group of whinging dorises who are convinced that it's all someone else's fault and everyone else should be paying them free money because they're really princesses and very important.

Our village is putting in chargers at the village hall and church to cater for the locals in old workers cottages that have zero offstreet parking. Most properties have parking and the biggest issue is getting mega kilowatts delivered to allow international coathanger travelling sales. All the supermarkets that are 9+ miles away have chargers. London is 95 miles to the centre where there is charging. The surrounding towns and cities are from 20 miles away and have charging.

None of the villages around here are having the slightest issue switching to EV. There's no shortage of EVs about from old to new.

The reason for this is that there is enough money in the community for people to switch now. Other communities will have to wait longer but none of this stuff is rocket science and people who live in villages tend to be more self sufficient and resilient than urban dwellers so will work all of this out more easily. Just so long as they put down the daily Mail wink

Soupdragon65

54 posts

Strangely Brown said:
Excellent. Everyone already knows that anything [within the laws of physics] is possible given enough money and political will. The fact that the ModelY battery can be removed, by dismantling most of the car, does not mean that it is ever going to be a practical or affordable proposition for any owner once the car is out of warranty.

So, I refer the honourable gentleman to my original statement.
It’s not meant to be easy as it’s unlikely to be required very often. Making it hot swappable would be bad engineering. For overall efficiency you make things as easy as they need to be, no more.

Your original statement said it was not replaceable. That’s just wrong. The steps required are literally in the service manual.

SpeckledJim

30,439 posts

240 months

havoc said:
rolleyes

Would you like to try walking your young kids 3-4 miles to the next village (where the nearest school is), down country roads with no paths? In winter?

Do yourself a favour - use your brain before posting st, eh?



As to your other points:-
1) How is that going to work for a village when the nearest supermarket or shopping centre is 10 miles away or more in the nearest town. And those 'remote charging points' have to service a dozen similarly-afflicted villages?

2) How is that going to work when the battery is a structural part of the car (as per the link above, and as confirmed by Tesla among others). And given how much a replacement battery costs (and will continue to cost, given the weight/quantity of materials/amount of labour required), even assuming they can be swapped-out without hours of labour on top, how is that going to help someone who can only afford to buy a car worth a few grand at most?

3) How is that going to work for a family that can't GET credit?


Once again, you're viewing all this through YOUR perspective, and not even bothering to think that there's a whole host of issues facing those who live in the countryside and aren't minted enough to have a nice farmhouse with plenty of off-road parking. Either that or you don't give a fk as long as you're alright, just like half of PH posters nowadays...
1. If there's demand for public charging, then expect the market to provide it. If these people drive to places, then expect there to be charging opportunities there, or on the way. If they don't drive to places, then they don't need their car charging.

2. how many cars are written-off for structural damage inside the wheelbase? Precious few. Not something us users need to worry about.

3. same way it works now for a family who can't get credit. You know you're talking about 2050 don't you? No need whatsoever to be worrying about this now. The price of a usable ICE banger has doubled since COVID, yet the likelihood of having to put it in the bin tomorrow has stayed the same. The more new EVs we buy today, the smaller this problem will be in 20 years.


Nomme de Plum

446 posts

3 months

havoc said:
rolleyes

Would you like to try walking your young kids 3-4 miles to the next village (where the nearest school is), down country roads with no paths? In winter?

Do yourself a favour - use your brain before posting st, eh?



As to your other points:-
1) How is that going to work for a village when the nearest supermarket or shopping centre is 10 miles away or more in the nearest town. And those 'remote charging points' have to service a dozen similarly-afflicted villages?

2) How is that going to work when the battery is a structural part of the car (as per the link above, and as confirmed by Tesla among others). And given how much a replacement battery costs (and will continue to cost, given the weight/quantity of materials/amount of labour required), even assuming they can be swapped-out without hours of labour on top, how is that going to help someone who can only afford to buy a car worth a few grand at most?

3) How is that going to work for a family that can't GET credit?


Once again, you're viewing all this through YOUR perspective, and not even bothering to think that there's a whole host of issues facing those who live in the countryside and aren't minted enough to have a nice farmhouse with plenty of off-road parking. Either that or you don't give a fk as long as you're alright, just like half of PH posters nowadays...
Families whose income is at the lowest end of the scale and who cannot get credit do not in the main own cars of any variety.

Villages tend not to have Hi rise apartments but a mix of terrace, semi detached and detached properties. Many of these will have parking including ex local authority housing. Not withstanding if there is demand then commercial providers may well step in.

Enterprising residents will provide their own much like broadband.

Yes currently there is a lag but when I was young car ownership was a rarity with less than 5M privately owned cars. Now it's about 50% of the population.

EVs and charging network will undoubtedly follow a similar trend.



DonkeyApple

48,965 posts

156 months

Nomme de Plum said:
Families whose income is at the lowest end of the scale and who cannot get credit do not in the main own cars of any variety.

Villages tend not to have Hi rise apartments but a mix of terrace, semi detached and detached properties. Many of these will have parking including ex local authority housing. Not withstanding if there is demand then commercial providers may well step in.

Enterprising residents will provide their own much like broadband.

Yes currently there is a lag but when I was young car ownership was a rarity with less than 5M privately owned cars. Now it's about 50% of the population.

EVs and charging network will undoubtedly follow a similar trend.
One of our local 'interesting' families who run a series of family enterprises from scrap yards down to tarmac and lucky heather sales has submitted planning to turn one of their yards that is located on the main road through the whole area and which links many of the tourist towns into an EV charging depot that will include shuttle buses to and from the local tourist towns.

The farmland to the rear has applied for a massive a solar development and the plan is that much of the power generated by that solar farm will be sold direct to car users (typically day trippers who will leave their car for recharging while heading to one of the tourist sites) at a massive premium over what the grid will pay.

All the local venues that attract people with more than 5p have chargers and most villages are all discussing how best to instal chargers for residents that have no parking and how those chargers will interact with all the available destination charging that surrounds them.

Unless a village has an unfair distribution of idiots then they really aren't going to struggle with the future. Unless of course they elect some Labour loon who despises poor people and wants to pedestrianise the village while granting exemptions to the affluent people they're desperate to be allowed to become. biggrin

On threads like this, people need to stop banging on about imaginary victims and instead open up the discussion around how they will switch, when that might be and what easy adaptions they may need to make.

Soupdragon65

54 posts

DonkeyApple said:
Unless a village has an unfair distribution of idiots then they really aren't going to struggle with the future.
rofl

That’s made my day