Short flights by football club players
Discussion
Eric Mc said:
bongtom said:
Frankie Dettori used to fly to most events. It would have been cheaper and produce less emissions if he drove/was driven.
Plus he wouldn’t have crashed at Newmarket, which is why he never flies in private planes anymore!
Her should have gone by horsePlus he wouldn’t have crashed at Newmarket, which is why he never flies in private planes anymore!
Given the speeds at which he rides, he would have been there in no time.
wouldn’t make much difference to the environment if footballers stopped using short haul flights between matches, but it would make a massive symbolic gesture if they announced that they didn’t.
Bit like ‘kick it out’ re racism.
Surprised their PR hasn’t latched onto this.
And yes, how does St Gary travel between punditry venues? We need to know.
Bit like ‘kick it out’ re racism.
Surprised their PR hasn’t latched onto this.
And yes, how does St Gary travel between punditry venues? We need to know.
ZedLeg said:
I get that flying is more convenient for some than other methods, but the number of people who need that convenience must be vanishingly small and is the pollution short flights cause worth it for that?
As UK airlines are all for-profit organisations, if the demand is vanishingly small, then so is the supply (of flights). Ergo, not much pollution.oyster said:
ZedLeg said:
I get that flying is more convenient for some than other methods, but the number of people who need that convenience must be vanishingly small and is the pollution short flights cause worth it for that?
As UK airlines are all for-profit organisations, if the demand is vanishingly small, then so is the supply (of flights). Ergo, not much pollution.A family member is a significant person at a professional football club. The amount of time spent covering vast distances by a pretty large number of people over the course of the season is remarkable. Few will shed a tear over the lives of the footballers but I suspect most people would be surprised by how long these chaps spend on the road and away from home and home life.
Once you add in the fans, security, journalists and all the others the carbon footprint associated with hosting sporting events must be quite a thing.
I’ve often wondered quite when the sanctimonious pitchforks would come after elite sport.
Once you add in the fans, security, journalists and all the others the carbon footprint associated with hosting sporting events must be quite a thing.
I’ve often wondered quite when the sanctimonious pitchforks would come after elite sport.
Kawasicki said:
Ivan stewart said:
Can’t they just work from home !!!
Why is physical professional sport still tolerated? The climate crisis is upon us (or it'll be here any minute now). It's a war.... no time or resources for fripperies like watching adults kick a ball around a field.We are on thin ice, melting thin ice. Can you swim?
It must be stopped for the sake of the Children!
oyster said:
Electro1980 said:
Newcastle to Bournemouth, is 3h30 to fly plus however long it takes to get to the airport.
In a biplane maybe.Since Exeter to Aberdeen is a 2h35m flight or a 9h45m drive, I think this is a case of either exaggerating for effect or careful selection of the chosen example.
Most major sporting events will have aircraft flights into and out of the grounds where possible. 2018 Leicester football club owner and four other occupants were killed when the helicopter they were travelling in crashed. It landed in the football ground and crashed on take off just outside of the ground. R.I.P.
Money buys convenience, go to F1 or any major race car event and see the helicopters fly in the big money stars. It’s not only football, it’s most major sports events.
Money buys convenience, go to F1 or any major race car event and see the helicopters fly in the big money stars. It’s not only football, it’s most major sports events.
Except Harry Kane. 
For some reason I just don't like him. No Idea why! This issue is an example of where we are headed in the near future. Individuals or organisations who choose to do something resource-hungry will be highlighted by the climate emergency lobby. Take the next World Cup, for example. It's shared between Mexico, Canada and the USA, so one imagines there will be a good deal of flying between venues (I presume FIFA will try to regionalise things a bit, but even so). Or there's the UEFA club competitions - Champions League, Europa League and Conference League. The air miles for those fixtures must be pretty high.
So, what do we do? Do we ban any fixture that you cannot get to by road or rail? Is that the end for international sport? No more Olympic Games?
Perhaps that's what the climate emergency activists' agenda leads to. A medieval existence where the most exciting sporting event is two local village football teams competing. It wouldn't be televised of course. I mean, putting communications satellites into orbit must generate a lot ofplant food dangerous CO2 mustn't it?
So, what do we do? Do we ban any fixture that you cannot get to by road or rail? Is that the end for international sport? No more Olympic Games?
Perhaps that's what the climate emergency activists' agenda leads to. A medieval existence where the most exciting sporting event is two local village football teams competing. It wouldn't be televised of course. I mean, putting communications satellites into orbit must generate a lot of
Ayahuasca said:
wouldn’t make much difference to the environment if footballers stopped using short haul flights between matches, but it would make a massive symbolic gesture if they announced that they didn’t.
Bit like ‘kick it out’ re racism.
Surprised their PR hasn’t latched onto this.
And yes, how does St Gary travel between punditry venues? We need to know.
Believe it or not football clubs want to win football matches. So any actual or perceived performance benefits are going to be top priority. Bit like ‘kick it out’ re racism.
Surprised their PR hasn’t latched onto this.
And yes, how does St Gary travel between punditry venues? We need to know.
It’s an odd discussion topic given a lot of the site sit right on the political spectrum and would champion civil liberties.
towser44 said:
Some of the flights clubs do are mental. I've seen from the Flight Tracker apps and certain other websites, Man City taking a flight to Birmingham Airport then a coach to play at Cheltenham Town. Liverpool flew to Doncaster Sheffield Airport to play Sheffield United then a coach to the ground. The coach was 25 miles, the journey from Liverpool to the ground would only be 78 miles had they just used a coach. Arsenal flew to Norwich. There are regular positioning flights (empty flights) between Liverpool and Manchester of the aircraft. Some of the flights being taken are plane (pun intended) ridiculous!
Living between Liverpool and Manchester Airports, we sometimes joke that it can only be a matter of time until Liverpool or one of the Manchester clubs fly between each airport when they play each other!
IIRC, that example was made even more ridiculous by the team being driven from the training ground to the airport on the team coach and then collected at Doncaster by the same coach that had driven across the Pennines quicker than their flight.Living between Liverpool and Manchester Airports, we sometimes joke that it can only be a matter of time until Liverpool or one of the Manchester clubs fly between each airport when they play each other!
Edited by towser44 on Friday 24th March 08:34
scenario8 said:
A family member is a significant person at a professional football club. The amount of time spent covering vast distances by a pretty large number of people over the course of the season is remarkable. Few will shed a tear over the lives of the footballers but I suspect most people would be surprised by how long these chaps spend on the road and away from home and home life.
Once you add in the fans, security, journalists and all the others the carbon footprint associated with hosting sporting events must be quite a thing.
I’ve often wondered quite when the sanctimonious pitchforks would come after elite sport.
This is a good point. Also, if anyone here has tried to play a game of football after sitting in a coach for 6 hours, you may understand why flights are popular.Once you add in the fans, security, journalists and all the others the carbon footprint associated with hosting sporting events must be quite a thing.
I’ve often wondered quite when the sanctimonious pitchforks would come after elite sport.
Also could you imagine being stuck in a coach with monumental turds like Richarlison, or Jordan Pickford ?
southendpier said:
scenario8 said:
A family member is a significant person at a professional football club. The amount of time spent covering vast distances by a pretty large number of people over the course of the season is remarkable. Few will shed a tear over the lives of the footballers but I suspect most people would be surprised by how long these chaps spend on the road and away from home and home life.
Once you add in the fans, security, journalists and all the others the carbon footprint associated with hosting sporting events must be quite a thing.
I’ve often wondered quite when the sanctimonious pitchforks would come after elite sport.
This is a good point. Also, if anyone here has tried to play a game of football after sitting in a coach for 6 hours, you may understand why flights are popular.Once you add in the fans, security, journalists and all the others the carbon footprint associated with hosting sporting events must be quite a thing.
I’ve often wondered quite when the sanctimonious pitchforks would come after elite sport.
Also could you imagine being stuck in a coach with monumental turds like Richarlison, or Jordan Pickford ?
ZedLeg said:
Domestic flights should be banned imo. We’re not that big an Island.
Totally disagree - even when I travel for work I regularly fly;Edinburgh, Glasgow, Belfast - all from London
Without the flight the trips wouldn't be viable and/or take me away from my desk/family for too long. Why sit on a train for 6 hours when a flight takes me 2 and a bit (always use City) door to door.
towser44 said:
They are not travelling on the day of the match, they travel the day before and stay in a hotel overnight, so the argument they are getting off the plane and playing a match an hour later doesn't exist.
Setting aside the question of air travel vs coach travel (which I appreciate is the major point of this thread - apologies) my direct experience in these matters is a step down from the Premier League (as we haven’t got there…yet) and began only a few years ago when my family member became heavily involved in their club. Until then I hadn’t really appreciated quite how much time was spent travelling on game days. Up another level but for reference the England team will have left Napoli last night a little after midnight local time. What time do we imagine they will have settled down in their digs in Staffordshire?
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