Will You Carry on Watching F1?
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What annoys me is we have had yet another period of change on the back of a great (last race ignored) season. It was the same when the V8's were dropped towards the end we had fairly close racing hell at one point we had 7 different winners in the first 7 races!
The same then happened with the hybrid era Redbull and Ferrari were hot on the heels of merc but every time we then get a shake up with 1 team doing miles better than the rest.
The same then happened with the hybrid era Redbull and Ferrari were hot on the heels of merc but every time we then get a shake up with 1 team doing miles better than the rest.
Daston said:
What annoys me is we have had yet another period of change on the back of a great (last race ignored) season. It was the same when the V8's were dropped towards the end we had fairly close racing hell at one point we had 7 different winners in the first 7 races!
The same then happened with the hybrid era Redbull and Ferrari were hot on the heels of merc but every time we then get a shake up with 1 team doing miles better than the rest.
The field spread is now the lowest it has ever beenThe same then happened with the hybrid era Redbull and Ferrari were hot on the heels of merc but every time we then get a shake up with 1 team doing miles better than the rest.
Daston said:
HustleRussell said:
The field spread is now the lowest it has ever been
Yes there is potential for sure but with the budget cap will the other teams be able to improve enough to make it as close at the front as it has been in the past?Daston said:
HustleRussell said:
The field spread is now the lowest it has ever been
Yes there is potential for sure but with the budget cap will the other teams be able to improve enough to make it as close at the front as it has been in the past?What these rules don't take into account is if one team is running away at the front and all the other teams are basically fighting for third place back. You could argue that the sliding scale should depend on points scored but that would just lead to teams gaming the system so as soon as Red Bull win a championship, they back right off so their development time for the following year isn't as impacted. The same for all teams up and down the grid. We would get a few different winners out of that but it would be artificial.
The rules will eventually close up the grid (this has already started) but may need to be tweaked if one team is constantly able to exploit them better than the others (one thing they could do is have a multiplyer) so if you win the constructors 2 years in a row you are handicapped by more than if you win it just once.
F1 is not perfect but these rules are the closest it has ever gotten in my view, it will take time and tweaking but I'll take that over the complete reset every 5 or 6 years that has gone on for decades and spread the field out further.
The only thing I would change is to make it easier for new entrants again, F1 needs Jordans and Minardis again, if all it is is corporate showcase then people will quickly lose interest. The Andretti saga has shown there is an issue there and the criteria need to be clear....if you can do X and Y and pay Z entry fee you are in and never mind the other teams. Make it a closed shop and the manufacturers win for now but we will all lose when they decide to go (F1 may not serve their interests in another 10 years).
Edited by patmahe on Wednesday 22 March 00:23
in my view there are two ways the performance gap is closed in F1:
- research/budget to generate knowledge needed to close the gap
- diffusion of knowledge as people move between teams.
The budget cap equalises budget
The windtunnel/CFD limits reduce the possibility to gain an advantage by doing a lot more R&D than other teams.
Both mechanisms make it hard to catch up. I think we're now in a situation where one team has a runaway advantage, and their competitors are hobbled from catching up because of the regulations (instead of available budget - the previous limit). i.e. we've arrived in the same place, but from the other end (not enough money entrenches advantages, too much money generates advantages).
the budget/develop caps don't address the second mechanism at all - diffusion of knowledge through the. grid as people move from team to team. maybe one way to level the playing field is to address that. requiring people to change employer is impractical (they have lives and careers) but maybe requiring teams to publish designs of 2 year old cars or something could make sense.
- research/budget to generate knowledge needed to close the gap
- diffusion of knowledge as people move between teams.
The budget cap equalises budget
The windtunnel/CFD limits reduce the possibility to gain an advantage by doing a lot more R&D than other teams.
Both mechanisms make it hard to catch up. I think we're now in a situation where one team has a runaway advantage, and their competitors are hobbled from catching up because of the regulations (instead of available budget - the previous limit). i.e. we've arrived in the same place, but from the other end (not enough money entrenches advantages, too much money generates advantages).
the budget/develop caps don't address the second mechanism at all - diffusion of knowledge through the. grid as people move from team to team. maybe one way to level the playing field is to address that. requiring people to change employer is impractical (they have lives and careers) but maybe requiring teams to publish designs of 2 year old cars or something could make sense.
HustleRussell said:
The field spread is now the lowest it has ever been
.... and the tyres allow the drivers to race harder for longer, without simply disintegrating after a couple of push laps, and one or two attempts at a pass.The reality check that is needed is to whether those with short memories genuinely think that the competitiveness down the field, the closeness in qualifying times, and the benefits for the lower teams in their aero testing allowances, are not working for the sport ...... and their biggest issue is that a different team, with different drivers, has emerged as the early powerhouse for the new rules???
[quote=mat205125]
.... and the tyres allow the drivers to race harder for longer, without simply disintegrating after a couple of push laps, and one or two attempts at a pass.
/quote]
Relatively. It is still absurd , and dreadful PR for Pirelli - that the damn things are still knackered after twenty minutes . I find pit stops only interesting when something goes wrong and there is no reason why tyres couldn't be made to last a race . They did in the last turbo era and what a great ad it would be for the longevity of the tyre manufacturer 's products .
Generally, I really struggle to understand some gripes about the current state of racing . I may moan about absurd budgets , near spec cars and racing in ghastly countries but the racing is close enough . That said , I fear much of the current fanbase has an attention span of an ant , demanding constant stimulation to avoid them switching back to whatever crap they watched on TV before DtS.. Strictly ? Love Island ? Christ knows.
.... and the tyres allow the drivers to race harder for longer, without simply disintegrating after a couple of push laps, and one or two attempts at a pass.
/quote]
Relatively. It is still absurd , and dreadful PR for Pirelli - that the damn things are still knackered after twenty minutes . I find pit stops only interesting when something goes wrong and there is no reason why tyres couldn't be made to last a race . They did in the last turbo era and what a great ad it would be for the longevity of the tyre manufacturer 's products .
Generally, I really struggle to understand some gripes about the current state of racing . I may moan about absurd budgets , near spec cars and racing in ghastly countries but the racing is close enough . That said , I fear much of the current fanbase has an attention span of an ant , demanding constant stimulation to avoid them switching back to whatever crap they watched on TV before DtS.. Strictly ? Love Island ? Christ knows.
coppice said:
mat205125 said:
.... and the tyres allow the drivers to race harder for longer, without simply disintegrating after a couple of push laps, and one or two attempts at a pass.
/quote]
Relatively. It is still absurd , and dreadful PR for Pirelli - that the damn things are still knackered after twenty minutes . I find pit stops only interesting when something goes wrong and there is no reason why tyres couldn't be made to last a race . They did in the last turbo era and what a great ad it would be for the longevity of the tyre manufacturer 's products .
Generally, I really struggle to understand some gripes about the current state of racing . I may moan about absurd budgets , near spec cars and racing in ghastly countries but the racing is close enough . That said , I fear much of the current fanbase has an attention span of an ant , demanding constant stimulation to avoid them switching back to whatever crap they watched on TV before DtS.. Strictly ? Love Island ? Christ knows.
Too many steps to Strictly so it's not that... Married at First Sight? Or is that only in Oz?/quote]
Relatively. It is still absurd , and dreadful PR for Pirelli - that the damn things are still knackered after twenty minutes . I find pit stops only interesting when something goes wrong and there is no reason why tyres couldn't be made to last a race . They did in the last turbo era and what a great ad it would be for the longevity of the tyre manufacturer 's products .
Generally, I really struggle to understand some gripes about the current state of racing . I may moan about absurd budgets , near spec cars and racing in ghastly countries but the racing is close enough . That said , I fear much of the current fanbase has an attention span of an ant , demanding constant stimulation to avoid them switching back to whatever crap they watched on TV before DtS.. Strictly ? Love Island ? Christ knows.
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