UFO Thread

That would make sense as they're both predators, and so would likely both be found where there's prey.

Are they?? What do you base that assessment of Bigfoot on?

Assuming it was a neanderthal type thing, as opposed to an ape, it would probably be smart enough to hide when it knows it's being looked for. The wilderness in the US is vast, with much of it completely unexplored, so plenty of places to hide. It seems that a lot of the unintentional sightings are when hunters and hikers go off the usual trails, or logging and contruction starts to encroach on previously undeveloped areas.

That said, I doubt the scientific community would accept anything other than a dead or live specimen as proof. If that were to happen it's more likely to be a hunter who comes across one by accident, and shoots it in panic, rather than a group who go looking for one. Most of the latter seem to be enthusiatic amateurs, who think every noise they hear must be bigfoot.

Witness testimony from hunters who've claimed to have seen them. In part because they've seen them stalking deer, and also because they've had kills taken before they can get to them.

That's the thing, bears are mostly vegetarian or scavengers and take only injured deer because they don't have the speed to catch healthy ones. Wolves chase prey to exhaustion. A biped stands no chance, we hunt with tools.

And how does a Bigfoot population sustain itself? You need a critical mass of creatures. If they're a neanderthal type creature where are the fires? There's a very good argument that we could evolve as well as we have because we learnt to cook so could extract more nutrients more easily and therefore our (and other hominids') brains grew.

I have no idea Bill, I'm only going on what hunters have claimed. They seem to suggest that they hunt at night, or even in packs, and drive deer into an ambush. They've also described them as being unbelievably fast, and certainly big enough to bring down a deer.

Logic suggests to me that if there's no truth in it, it can only be either misidentification, or people making it up. The outdoors experience, duration and closeness of the "witnesses", seems to rule out the former. If the latter, then I'd imagine that people would make something up that seems more likely to be close to what people might expect of an either an unknown ape or neanderthal type hominid, but that isn't the case either. Most accounts describe something as being heavily muscled, 7'-9' tall, with long arms and a shoulder width of around 4'. Nor can I see any motive for making it up, as most seem reluctant to admit to what they saw. A bigfoot hunter, maybe, but a deer hunter or outdoors type is more afraid of being ridiculed.

As for how it sustains a population, who knows. We know panthers exist in the US, and the population is estimated at less than 200, and there are fewer sightings of those than bigfoot. Realistically there's enough unpopulated and remote wilderness to hide many more than that.

I genuinely don't know one way or the other Bill. I'd pretty much discount the fleeting glimpses of something standing upright, or grainy footage of who knows what, but the acounts of up close and lengthy encounters are harder to dismiss. On the one hand it seems too incredible to be true, but on the other hand there are too many sightings from credible witnesses for them all to be accounted for by men in ape suits or misidentified bears.

On the topic of Big foot, I started listening to the podcast sasquatch chronicals a few years ago to break up the tedium of 1 and half hours of dog walking every day. True or false I was more into it for an hours worth of scary stories.

There are 800+ episodes of interviews with folks that claim to have seen them - usually two per episode. I've likely listened to a couple of hundred so far. The common themes I've noted.

1) When asked what they think they are, there are two groups. One is relic hominid, the other is the offspring of fallen angels... Which immediately raises questions in relation to the witness.

2) Some witnesses are genuinely scared recounting their encounter - their voices sounding scared... Some start crying. This is tough (although not impossible) to fake.

3) Physically, they are described as massive, at up to 9ft tall and 500lbs. With an incredible musculature - many describe them as being like a giant body builder, on steroids. Many also report a very odd gate.

4) They are described as very very fast across even the worst terrain, and also almost as fast crawling on all fours - like a spider some describe.

5) The suggestion is they live in social groups, have language and hunt using herding and ambush tactics.

6) There have been a few reportedly shot. However, this typically leads to a highly aggressive response by the 'tribe' driving the hunters off. Those that have returned later in greater numbers (like the sand people) have found no body. This is a convenient explanation for no physical evidence, but extracting a 500lb body over miles of deep forest terrain requires dozens of people - I used to do mountain rescue so have first hand experience of how challenging this is, even forbav200lb body using a bell stretcher.

7). A small number of witnesses have reported seeing helicopters chasing them at low level, suggesting there existence is known about - who doesn't loveva good conspiracy theory. However, this is interesting to ponder. If they were proven to be true, what the hell does a government do about it? We've all seen the scene in jaws were every idiot with a boat turns up. It would likely be similar with hunters and the curious. It also raises questions about protection of them and us. Does the US forest have to close vast swathes of forest. Can they actually be hunted - a relic hominid with language and social structure - would it be murder? In the unlikely event they are real, it would be an utter nightmare for us law makers.

8). Weirdly, a small percentage of 'sightings' are not of hominid type creatures, but of bipedal canids - one witness was a post grad biologist working as a park ranger.

I'm still in the most likely other explanations camp, but I have to say some of the witnesses are very convincing.

Thing is, if you're walking through a wood, hunting, are you going to have your camera out?

And then if Harry and the Hendersons pops out, I don't know about you, but the last thing on my mind is taken a photo.

But with those supposedly taken... an auto focus through dense brush of an object meters away, is going to look exactly how blobsquatche photos turn out.

Just to add to the discussion...

This was one of the most convincing interviews I listened to. She sounds genuinely terrified recounting her tale.

Now she may have hallucinated what happened, but it definitely sounds like she believes what she saw (to my ears anyway)

https://sasquatchchronicles.com/sc-ep515-i-shouldn...

I find the whole phenomenon fascinating whether such things exist or not. It would be wonderful if they do, UFOs or Bigfoot, and if they don't then the insight into human mentality is very interesting.