The **BOXING** thread (Vol 4)
Discussion
philv said:
No, let's not generalize
It's 'ducky druggy' fury that is a disgrace.
Don't agree with this. AJ and Wilder had plenty of time to fight for undisputed and didn't. Joe Joyce can't get a fight with any top name, Hearn's been clear he's going to make AJ Vs Whyte instead of someone that might actually challenge him.It's 'ducky druggy' fury that is a disgrace.
Fury is a massive prick but he is not the only problem.
EddieSteadyGo said:
fridaypassion said:
272BHP said:
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In other news I was pleasantly surprised that the Joshua v Franklin fight is not PPV on DAZN.
They must know I was about to cancel my sub!In other news I was pleasantly surprised that the Joshua v Franklin fight is not PPV on DAZN.
biggbn said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
fridaypassion said:
272BHP said:
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In other news I was pleasantly surprised that the Joshua v Franklin fight is not PPV on DAZN.
They must know I was about to cancel my sub!In other news I was pleasantly surprised that the Joshua v Franklin fight is not PPV on DAZN.
Personally I don't think £20/month is cheap, bearing in mind they also now charge extra for the more important fights on PPV.
And their dilemma is the more they increase the price, the smaller the market size of potential customers who will consider it good value. And from their last accounts they have already lost another $1.3bn in their most recently reported financial year - that can't continue forever. I think they need to change their strategy as the current one isn't working.
EddieSteadyGo said:
biggbn said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
fridaypassion said:
272BHP said:
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In other news I was pleasantly surprised that the Joshua v Franklin fight is not PPV on DAZN.
They must know I was about to cancel my sub!In other news I was pleasantly surprised that the Joshua v Franklin fight is not PPV on DAZN.
Personally I don't think £20/month is cheap, bearing in mind they also now charge extra for the more important fights on PPV.
And their dilemma is the more they increase the price, the smaller the market size of potential customers who will consider it good value. And from their last accounts they have already lost another $1.3bn in their most recently reported financial year - that can't continue forever. I think they need to change their strategy as the current one isn't working.
The common denominator in all this stuff is Fury/Warren
I would say Fury, surely a 70/30 split is pathetic for a bloke that holds more belts than you, I do not blame Usyk for not taking that it is rude at best!
Fury is about being rich, not a lot more, he might say all the right things and for a few years he had the respect of a lot of us I am sure, but in recent years he has become just a moaning git who b
hes about everyone else while taking lame fights and offering pathetic purses to rivals who can beat him.
Fair enough he beat Wilder, and I do believe at the time Wilder was perhaps the best guy around.
But he has not fought AJ, he has not fought Ruiz, he has not fought Usky, Joyce or Dubois, any of the people who might trouble him more than Wilder did.
He is going back to type, and we all know what that type is, the type that boxes for money in a small straw bales ring and takes advantage of the less well off
I would say Fury, surely a 70/30 split is pathetic for a bloke that holds more belts than you, I do not blame Usyk for not taking that it is rude at best!
Fury is about being rich, not a lot more, he might say all the right things and for a few years he had the respect of a lot of us I am sure, but in recent years he has become just a moaning git who b
hes about everyone else while taking lame fights and offering pathetic purses to rivals who can beat him.Fair enough he beat Wilder, and I do believe at the time Wilder was perhaps the best guy around.
But he has not fought AJ, he has not fought Ruiz, he has not fought Usky, Joyce or Dubois, any of the people who might trouble him more than Wilder did.
He is going back to type, and we all know what that type is, the type that boxes for money in a small straw bales ring and takes advantage of the less well off
Lee Jones Jnr said:
If you want to dip in and out then consider it strings free PPV with 29 extra days free.
It’s £9.99 per month if you just subscribe to it.
If a company is confident its content is good value and compelling (e.g. Netflix) they don't then offer substantial discounts for annual subscriptions. Those subscribers should expect large gaps in the schedule with poor filler content in-between. It’s £9.99 per month if you just subscribe to it.
The number of people who will pay £20/month or a larger amount upfront for primarily boxing content is tiny, which is presumably part of the reason why DAZN are losing over £1bn per year.
It's not sustainable. Anyone who wants DAZN already has it. It is going crash to earth when Blavatnik gets bored with losing money hand over fist. Either that or a "merger" of some kind which allows them to recoup some of the commercial rights fees they have expended.
EddieSteadyGo said:
If a company is confident its content is good value and compelling (e.g. Netflix) they don't then offer substantial discounts for annual subscriptions. Those subscribers should expect large gaps in the schedule with poor filler content in-between.
The number of people who will pay £20/month or a larger amount upfront for primarily boxing content is tiny, which is presumably part of the reason why DAZN are losing over £1bn per year.
It's not sustainable. Anyone who wants DAZN already has it. It is going crash to earth when Blavatnik gets bored with losing money hand over fist. Either that or a "merger" of some kind which allows them to recoup some of the commercial rights fees they have expended.
You know best.The number of people who will pay £20/month or a larger amount upfront for primarily boxing content is tiny, which is presumably part of the reason why DAZN are losing over £1bn per year.
It's not sustainable. Anyone who wants DAZN already has it. It is going crash to earth when Blavatnik gets bored with losing money hand over fist. Either that or a "merger" of some kind which allows them to recoup some of the commercial rights fees they have expended.
I don’t care enough about this to argue.
Just watched a BT interview with Frank he looked pretty pissed off no blame of course from him on Fury. He was talking about Dubois being the first mandatory up for Usyk which just demonstrates everything I hate about this sport! Dubois is many fights away from this level and should be banished after the utter fix that was the Lerena fight but no they bought that decision and Frank insists on pushing him. I don't think Dubois will ever achieve anything that's not fixed in this sport he's fundamentally not resistant enough to taking punches. Taking on Usyk is just completely pointless for Dubois he would be KO'd in round 1 I reckon.
So ignoring the seemly arbitrary mandatory statuses and what not of the various bodies what are the fights that could get made? Will Usyk even be arsed about taking any mandatories? Usyk doesn't seem motivated by the money he's a legacy guy so we could possibly see him vacating? From his perspective he is on a mission to get all 4 belts so is there any point for him in anything but a unification fight? Assuming he wants to continue outside of a Unification you might as well follow the money and that's probably Wilder. Joyce's stock should rise assuming he gets through Zhang but why risk serious injury at the hands of the Juggernaut?
Something really needs to be done about Fury with this fiasco and the AJ fiasco he's just a cock blocker for the division. Yes he's entertaining and we think he's talented but overall I really think the sport would be net better off without him getting in the way.
So ignoring the seemly arbitrary mandatory statuses and what not of the various bodies what are the fights that could get made? Will Usyk even be arsed about taking any mandatories? Usyk doesn't seem motivated by the money he's a legacy guy so we could possibly see him vacating? From his perspective he is on a mission to get all 4 belts so is there any point for him in anything but a unification fight? Assuming he wants to continue outside of a Unification you might as well follow the money and that's probably Wilder. Joyce's stock should rise assuming he gets through Zhang but why risk serious injury at the hands of the Juggernaut?
Something really needs to be done about Fury with this fiasco and the AJ fiasco he's just a cock blocker for the division. Yes he's entertaining and we think he's talented but overall I really think the sport would be net better off without him getting in the way.
fridaypassion said:
Just watched a BT interview with Frank he looked pretty pissed off no blame of course from him on Fury. He was talking about Dubois being the first mandatory up for Usyk which just demonstrates everything I hate about this sport! Dubois is many fights away from this level and should be banished after the utter fix that was the Lerena fight but no they bought that decision and Frank insists on pushing him. I don't think Dubois will ever achieve anything that's not fixed in this sport he's fundamentally not resistant enough to taking punches. Taking on Usyk is just completely pointless for Dubois he would be KO'd in round 1 I reckon.
So ignoring the seemly arbitrary mandatory statuses and what not of the various bodies what are the fights that could get made? Will Usyk even be arsed about taking any mandatories? Usyk doesn't seem motivated by the money he's a legacy guy so we could possibly see him vacating? From his perspective he is on a mission to get all 4 belts so is there any point for him in anything but a unification fight? Assuming he wants to continue outside of a Unification you might as well follow the money and that's probably Wilder. Joyce's stock should rise assuming he gets through Zhang but why risk serious injury at the hands of the Juggernaut?
Something really needs to be done about Fury with this fiasco and the AJ fiasco he's just a cock blocker for the division. Yes he's entertaining and we think he's talented but overall I really think the sport would be net better off without him getting in the way.
I think that's rather unfair on Dubois. He hasn't looked remotely fragile before that last fight, I just feel he was caught awkwardly.. didn't he also hurt his leg in one of the knockdown. Yes, the fight was farcical and he should have lost under the rules, but he ate flush punches from Joyce, Gorman and Richard Lartey and didn't take a backward step. I think his chin is OK, his basics are OK it's just rounds he needs. He'll still do well. So ignoring the seemly arbitrary mandatory statuses and what not of the various bodies what are the fights that could get made? Will Usyk even be arsed about taking any mandatories? Usyk doesn't seem motivated by the money he's a legacy guy so we could possibly see him vacating? From his perspective he is on a mission to get all 4 belts so is there any point for him in anything but a unification fight? Assuming he wants to continue outside of a Unification you might as well follow the money and that's probably Wilder. Joyce's stock should rise assuming he gets through Zhang but why risk serious injury at the hands of the Juggernaut?
Something really needs to be done about Fury with this fiasco and the AJ fiasco he's just a cock blocker for the division. Yes he's entertaining and we think he's talented but overall I really think the sport would be net better off without him getting in the way.
EddieSteadyGo said:
biggbn said:
I think that's rather unfair on Dubois. He hasn't looked remotely fragile before that last fight...
When he took a knee, looking lost and devoid of ideas, and was then counted out against Joyce, he seemed somewhat fragile to me.biggbn said:
He had a shattered cheekbone that he had fought with for several rounds. Lot of bottle if you ask me. Comprehensively out jabbed by a better fighter that night in a fight many had him as favourite. I have championed big Joe since day one, too some ridicule at times even on this forum. Big fella is proving a few people wrong now and many have jumped on the bandwagon. Such is boxing. I like Dubois, good kid, huge power, I think he'll come again
I don't know if the cheekbone has actually shattered (did we actually ever see the x-ray?) But I take your broader point; Joyce dominated that fight, which wasn't the outcome I expected.Fury NEVER wanted it. Ever.
His reputation is in tatters and he and Frank Warren have been exposed for the lying cowards they are.
Let's just stick to the facts here.
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I think we all know who is to blame now.
Warren has lost control of Fury and will start losing money on him now because his financial demands are so high.
What will we see next, Wilder 4 or Chisora 4? Maybe John McDermott 3, Battle of the Bellies?
His reputation is in tatters and he and Frank Warren have been exposed for the lying cowards they are.
Let's just stick to the facts here.
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I think we all know who is to blame now.
Warren has lost control of Fury and will start losing money on him now because his financial demands are so high.
What will we see next, Wilder 4 or Chisora 4? Maybe John McDermott 3, Battle of the Bellies?
biggbn said:
Bright Halo said:
Disgraceful rant from Fury.
Trying to deflect from his own BS
I’m a big Fury fan but he has now lost my support.
Said the same earlier. I hope Usyk or Big Joe clean his clock. Sick of the posturing. Trying to deflect from his own BS
I’m a big Fury fan but he has now lost my support.
They have everybody talking about the fight though don't they?
I still maintain (hope) they made the Saudi venue at the Tommy fight. This still smells of hype tbh
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