Marcus by Goldman Sachs Bank
Discussion
hyphen said:
Yup, lure you in and then who knows what.
Goldman Sachs... no ta!
Serious question - why not? I opened my account and deposited and withdrew a test amount with no drama.Goldman Sachs... no ta!
I'm happier with my savings with Marcus than HSBC or TSB at the moment I think...
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/business-45676458
funinhounslow said:
hyphen said:
Yup, lure you in and then who knows what.
Goldman Sachs... no ta!
Serious question - why not? I opened my account and deposited and withdrew a test amount with no drama.Goldman Sachs... no ta!
I'm happier with my savings with Marcus than HSBC or TSB at the moment I think...
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/business-45676458
Leading the way in the interest league tables is clearly going to be a loss leader for this squid to wrap it's tentacles around you, but what isn't clear is their end game.
They have a strategy, and it's not to give money away. The more savvy customers, such as some of yourselves, will do fine, get in whilst savings rates are good and then later switch away.
Or you may end up having unexpected financial trouble, and end up using the services of the devil you are in bed with!!
Goldman's aren't a low margins business, if they are using some of the billions off their balance sheet for this venture, over the many other opportunities they have, then there is some way they have calculated to make serious money along the way.
So there was me thinking I'm opening a savings account with a decent (by today's standards) rate of interest, and now I'm at risk of being attacked by a giant octopus?
They're regulated by the FCA, and I can get my money back when I want. Interest is even paid monthly.
All banks are in it to make money, and none of them give money away. Remember self certification mortgages, PPI misselling and this
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2012/jul/17/h...
Which ethically pure bank do you suggest I use? Co-op?!
They're regulated by the FCA, and I can get my money back when I want. Interest is even paid monthly.
All banks are in it to make money, and none of them give money away. Remember self certification mortgages, PPI misselling and this
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2012/jul/17/h...
Which ethically pure bank do you suggest I use? Co-op?!
funinhounslow said:
So there was me thinking I'm opening a savings account with a decent (by today's standards) rate of interest, and now I'm at risk of being attacked by a giant octopus?
They're regulated by the FCA, and I can get my money back when I want. Interest is even paid monthly.
All banks are in it to make money, and none of them give money away. Remember self certification mortgages, PPI misselling and this
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2012/jul/17/h...
Which ethically pure bank do you suggest I use? Co-op?!
This 100%. They're regulated by the FCA, and I can get my money back when I want. Interest is even paid monthly.
All banks are in it to make money, and none of them give money away. Remember self certification mortgages, PPI misselling and this
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2012/jul/17/h...
Which ethically pure bank do you suggest I use? Co-op?!
I think someone’s losing the plot here.
hyphen said:
if they are using some of the billions off their balance sheet for this venture, over the many other opportunities they have, then there is some way they have calculated to make serious money along the way.
Taking retail deposits creates a balance sheet liability. They've not given an asset allocation here at all. Also, these are subject to bank levy (.16bps I think); so the exchequer gets a win.Of course there is an upside for Goldman's, and yep they are going to make money somewhere in the chain - but pretty difficult on retail call accounts. With ring-fencing, its difficult for them to use it to fund the high risk activities of the IB (wholesale funding is optimal for this anyway). I suspect they are going to move some of their Non-IB assets to a UK Co, and fund (partially) from retail deposits (which under liquidity rules are like post BASEL magic beans). Obviously you want to steer well clear of Goldman Sachs at the sharp end of IB or as a market pro' but this looks pretty good for retail punters (under the FCA compo limits you are only loosing 75bps'ish to inflation!).
I think some people should go easy on the You Tube "documentaries"
And apparently it's not a "loss leader"...
hyphen said:
Goldmans? Ouch, he is getting bent over with no foreplay or lube.
hyphen said:
Goldman's are in it to make money, ruthlessly. The nickname Vampire Squid exists for a reason.
Leading the way in the league tables is clearly going to be a loss leader for this squid to wrap it's tentacles around you, but what isn't clear is their end game.
I thought I was signing up to an interest access savings account at a mildly advantageous interest rate, but apparently I've signed up to be sexually assaulted by a mollusc at some point in the future...Leading the way in the league tables is clearly going to be a loss leader for this squid to wrap it's tentacles around you, but what isn't clear is their end game.
And apparently it's not a "loss leader"...
stongle said:
Taking retail deposits creates a balance sheet liability. They've not given an asset allocation here at all. Also, these are subject to bank levy (.16bps I think); so the exchequer gets a win.
Of course there is an upside for Goldman's, and yep they are going to make money somewhere in the chain - but pretty difficult on retail call accounts. With ring-fencing, its difficult for them to use it to fund the high risk activities of the IB (wholesale funding is optimal for this anyway). I suspect they are going to move some of their Non-IB assets to a UK Co, and fund (partially) from retail deposits (which under liquidity rules are like post BASEL magic beans). Obviously you want to steer well clear of Goldman Sachs at the sharp end of IB or as a market pro' but this looks pretty good for retail punters (under the FCA compo limits you are only loosing 75bps'ish to inflation!).
Most interesting but what does their investment bank activities have to do with me as a retail customer?Of course there is an upside for Goldman's, and yep they are going to make money somewhere in the chain - but pretty difficult on retail call accounts. With ring-fencing, its difficult for them to use it to fund the high risk activities of the IB (wholesale funding is optimal for this anyway). I suspect they are going to move some of their Non-IB assets to a UK Co, and fund (partially) from retail deposits (which under liquidity rules are like post BASEL magic beans). Obviously you want to steer well clear of Goldman Sachs at the sharp end of IB or as a market pro' but this looks pretty good for retail punters (under the FCA compo limits you are only loosing 75bps'ish to inflation!).
Banks used to use your savings to help fund there IB operations, the assumption being not everyone would want there savings out at once, that's how savings accounts work you basically lending the money to the bank and they pay you x rate for it and they just assume everyone wont want there cash back at the same time. Ring fencing stopped this but that's not to say they haven't found some way around this.
Edited by PostHeads123 on Monday 1st October 14:33
Well yes, that's fractional reserve banking, all retail banks operate in this manner, and is one reason we have central banks - "lender of the last resort" - I remember this from my economics O level many years ago...
I'm just questioning why a retail bank owned by Goldman Sachs is causing such ridiculous hyperbole, especially when the "traditional" High Street banks haven't exactly been models of integrity recently...
I'm just questioning why a retail bank owned by Goldman Sachs is causing such ridiculous hyperbole, especially when the "traditional" High Street banks haven't exactly been models of integrity recently...
funinhounslow said:
And apparently it's not a "loss leader"...
It must be, as there is no marginal holding asset for them that will yield >1.5% plus their cost of operations without some duration risk. I assume this is the beachhead for a push into the lucrative UK consumer credit market. Given ringfencing, as others have said, this is not a funding tool for investment banking activity.I would not expect the rate to last - the smart money will stay for a year and then look for the best new customer deal somewhere else. They are relying on people being lazy and leaving funds there even when they start to bring rates down.
They've been retail funded by EU banks for years, coupled with ECB generosity. The premium offered to UK retail investors is pretty much risk free (If it suits Goldies....), go for it.
This could be either, extension of current US retail offering or a decent BR3XIT hedge (and a lot of IBs think BREXIT could yield benefits better than Trump).
This could be either, extension of current US retail offering or a decent BR3XIT hedge (and a lot of IBs think BREXIT could yield benefits better than Trump).
I’ve set up an account now.
So far so good. I put in £1000, withdrew £999 and paid it back in. All happened quickly so I put the rest that I was keeping in my Tesco Internet Saver in.
Nice, simple website with a higher interest rate. No complaints so far
Eta: before you set it up, be aware that you can't hold any more than £250k in it. The Tesco account is up to £1m, for example
So far so good. I put in £1000, withdrew £999 and paid it back in. All happened quickly so I put the rest that I was keeping in my Tesco Internet Saver in.
Nice, simple website with a higher interest rate. No complaints so far
Eta: before you set it up, be aware that you can't hold any more than £250k in it. The Tesco account is up to £1m, for example
Edited by Jimmy Recard on Tuesday 2nd October 19:16
Edited by Jimmy Recard on Tuesday 2nd October 19:27
The idea of holding more than the FSCS protection ceiling in any account would be risky and I am sure if I had a million quid in investments I wouldn't be in tesco bank but would be:-
1. Not looking at 1.5% instant access accounts and;
2. Not on PH at 9pm sat in the cold UK; and
3. Off my head with norks in my face
1. Not looking at 1.5% instant access accounts and;
2. Not on PH at 9pm sat in the cold UK; and
3. Off my head with norks in my face
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