Max Verstappen
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DeejRC said:
I’ve actually just watched that little vid now and ppls idea of raging etc must be very different to mine. He was calm, polite, his body language was relaxed and his tone was fairly neutral. He just voiced disappointment that a professional outfit/organisation/event was in fact very amateur. That was it.
It’s the same way most high end professionals react in their sphere over amateurish rubbish that cocks stuff up. If it will then results in you wasting your time for no reason, then you kill it dead instead of wasting your time/money/effort.
Don't forget we also had someone, by my understanding anyway, effectively complaining that Max was complaining, which is unacceptable because he has money, but then also complaining that youtubers aren't complaining, because they're influenced by the money.It’s the same way most high end professionals react in their sphere over amateurish rubbish that cocks stuff up. If it will then results in you wasting your time for no reason, then you kill it dead instead of wasting your time/money/effort.
Max "raging" his opinion that basically RF2 isn't a good platform for this and he's going to uninstall it is to be criticised because he's apparently thus acting like a spoilt child, but youtubers not vocaly criticising RF2 is also to be criticised because they're being namby pamby with their words as they're influenced by the powers at be. Is anyone's behaviour acceptable,as it seems both sides of the coin were covered with criticism there?
The thing is, both points are valid, why does every damn thread have to be about you being right or wrong.
Max plays the damn thing for fun, his life does not depend on it as quite a few streamers do, so he can be overly critical and it makes no difference to him.
If a streamer is massively critical and is someone who talks about lots of stuff, he might start to lose his or hers influence or be asked less to do things. Hence they might not be as strong as Max was.
Sitting there with your arms folded looking like a kid who has his toys taken away is never a good look, especially when you are a multi millionaire who is doing this for fun in reality, I know he takes it seriously and he was not raging, but we all (or those of us who choose to realise it) know what type of person Max is, it is why he is as good as he is, but a lot of people will never warm to it, it doesn't matter.
What does matter here is that he is vastly more influential than any streamer and I hope that this crummy company move on from this title and allow everyone to play this race on a platform that is better than RF2.
Max plays the damn thing for fun, his life does not depend on it as quite a few streamers do, so he can be overly critical and it makes no difference to him.
If a streamer is massively critical and is someone who talks about lots of stuff, he might start to lose his or hers influence or be asked less to do things. Hence they might not be as strong as Max was.
Sitting there with your arms folded looking like a kid who has his toys taken away is never a good look, especially when you are a multi millionaire who is doing this for fun in reality, I know he takes it seriously and he was not raging, but we all (or those of us who choose to realise it) know what type of person Max is, it is why he is as good as he is, but a lot of people will never warm to it, it doesn't matter.
What does matter here is that he is vastly more influential than any streamer and I hope that this crummy company move on from this title and allow everyone to play this race on a platform that is better than RF2.
MustangGT said:
I agree Luke, however, for an alternate view:
Why would Max, and his team, race on a platform they know to be 'glitchy' and then have a minor tantrum when it causes an issue?
You would hope it was fixed given the profile of the event....plus he still likes doing sim racing and commits to supporting his team Redline where he can. If they wanted to enter, he naturally will join them to support as he still gives them his time despite his busy F1 schedule. I think it's pretty great he still considers them even now after 2 F1 WDCs.Why would Max, and his team, race on a platform they know to be 'glitchy' and then have a minor tantrum when it causes an issue?
Exactly Mike
I am aware that plenty of people in the past few months hosting events not even remotely as big as this paid due diligence to being hacked or whatever this was, but these guys clearly did not look at it that closely.
So maybe they are slightly culpable.
Even so, the game itself is prone to disconnection issues and that apparently has always been the case, so it begs the question, regardless of this "deal" this game should be used to run this scale of event.
It is all about rights and money which in something like this is a joke, it's a bloody game for goodness sake
I am aware that plenty of people in the past few months hosting events not even remotely as big as this paid due diligence to being hacked or whatever this was, but these guys clearly did not look at it that closely.
So maybe they are slightly culpable.
Even so, the game itself is prone to disconnection issues and that apparently has always been the case, so it begs the question, regardless of this "deal" this game should be used to run this scale of event.
It is all about rights and money which in something like this is a joke, it's a bloody game for goodness sake
Bo_apex said:
Well, he can't drive around in a tin of highly caffeinated fizzy pop.alisdairm said:
Bo_apex said:
Well, he can't drive around in a tin of highly caffeinated fizzy pop.Toto Wolff owns a Ferrari too, a very cool F40, and PH has it up for sale at the moment:
https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-spottedykywt/t...
Bo_apex said:
There was a lot of speculation when Lewis went and collected his LaFerrari. I think these guys just like cars 
Sandpit Steve said:
alisdairm said:
Bo_apex said:
Well, he can't drive around in a tin of highly caffeinated fizzy pop.Toto Wolff owns a Ferrari too, a very cool F40, and PH has it up for sale at the moment:
https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-spottedykywt/t...
Teddy Lop said:
Don't most of the leading drivers / team owners / team principles etc have one or several fezzas?
I’d imagine so. They’re pretty much all ‘car guys’, and have the means to indulge their passion. Most people, by the time they get to half a dozen fancy cars, have at least one from Maranello on the list - even if they’re a competitor on Sunday afternoons. Bo_apex said:
But if he worked for Ferrari he’d have a far better car for free 
https://youtu.be/trKgV84V8gs
What it’s like being Max’s team mate, Albon writes;
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/alex-albon...
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/alex-albon...
Edited by Pflanzgarten on Wednesday 1st March 09:29
Pflanzgarten said:
What it’s like being Max’s team are, Albon writes;
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/alex-albon...
Interesting read that. Thanks.https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/alex-albon...
Heard a few times that Max likes the car absolutely in its nose. Interestingly that’s very much what iRacing feels like. 400% of the grip is on the front axle and the rear basically has none/wants to oversteer everywhere.
RacerMike said:
Pflanzgarten said:
What it’s like being Max’s team are, Albon writes;
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/alex-albon...
Interesting read that. Thanks.https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/alex-albon...
Heard a few times that Max likes the car absolutely in its nose. Interestingly that’s very much what iRacing feels like. 400% of the grip is on the front axle and the rear basically has none/wants to oversteer everywhere.
If it was because Danny likes a similar car to Max it would suggest that Lando may REALLY want to avoid that RB now given he seems to shine in a car Danny struggles with.
NRS said:
Yes, interesting read. I wonder if it might say a bit about Danny Ric too? Given he's the only one to be able to go toe to toe with Max does it mean he wants a really pointy car too, and that's why he did poorly in the McLaren? Or was it just the car was less suited to Max/Max was still learning a lot when they were teammates?
If it was because Danny likes a similar car to Max it would suggest that Lando may REALLY want to avoid that RB now given he seems to shine in a car Danny struggles with.
Good point, and Norris would be well advised to stay away from an RB seat.If it was because Danny likes a similar car to Max it would suggest that Lando may REALLY want to avoid that RB now given he seems to shine in a car Danny struggles with.
All things considered Perez has done a very solid job.
I always wonder how many drivers do "badly" due to either being in the wrong car setup or because the rules reward a certain style of driving. Vettel clearly was amazing at the blown diffuser style of rules, but didn't do much after that. Danny did great in the RB but was nowhere in the McLaren.
A few drivers are very flexible (Hamilton, Alonso, most likely Max) but the rest for the most part will need to have a specific set of rules and car designs for them to do really well. If the rules that reward your style never come in your career or the car designer messes up/focuses on your teammate you're potentially doomed.
A few drivers are very flexible (Hamilton, Alonso, most likely Max) but the rest for the most part will need to have a specific set of rules and car designs for them to do really well. If the rules that reward your style never come in your career or the car designer messes up/focuses on your teammate you're potentially doomed.
NRS said:
I always wonder how many drivers do "badly" due to either being in the wrong car setup or because the rules reward a certain style of driving. Vettel clearly was amazing at the blown diffuser style of rules, but didn't do much after that. Danny did great in the RB but was nowhere in the McLaren.
A few drivers are very flexible (Hamilton, Alonso, most likely Max) but the rest for the most part will need to have a specific set of rules and car designs for them to do really well. If the rules that reward your style never come in your career or the car designer messes up/focuses on your teammate you're potentially doomed.
the Ferrari and Mercedes are potentially a design too compromised for trying to suit both their drivers.A few drivers are very flexible (Hamilton, Alonso, most likely Max) but the rest for the most part will need to have a specific set of rules and car designs for them to do really well. If the rules that reward your style never come in your career or the car designer messes up/focuses on your teammate you're potentially doomed.
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