Will You Carry on Watching F1?
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Milkyway said:
It would help if there was a few more characters in the sport... most of them just act & sound like pre programmed robots & have had a personality bypass.
Lando seems pretty grounded though...
( But that is installed at a very young age now).
Trouble is once somebody exhibits 'character' , like Hamilton mentioning human rights issues/sportwashing or Vettel talking about climate change, the fan mob decides that is the wrong sort of character , and flies into a hissy fit. Given the constant media scrutiny these guys are under, and teams' obsession with getting the PR optics right , they are lucky to get away with saying anything . And of course , our esteemed Mohammed Bin Sulayem did his very best to ensure that nobody could say anything anyway . Lando seems pretty grounded though...
( But that is installed at a very young age now).
Edited by Milkyway on Friday 10th March 11:31
Which means, in our increasingly Orwellian world of sport , Saudi Arabia could merrily execute 81 people in a day for 'crimes' such as political protest but Hamilton could be fined for even mentioning it .
And what is 'character' - read the biographies or listen to interviews with most F1 drivers of the past and relatively few have ever had to much to say of any real interest. I'd exclude some (eg Niki Lauda Phil Hill, Damon Hill , Peter Revson, Ayrton Senna) but you really wouldn't want to be stuck in a lift with some names . Hunt is often quoted as being as having character but to me he was just a boorish public schoolboy with a booze and airhostess habit .
500TORQUES said:
Drew106 said:
Slightly O/T, but the comment above reminded me - what is the deal with NOW TV charging extra for HD! It's 2023 FFS. Everything is HD. £3/month, F off.
Everyone charges extra for HD/UHD content.Amazon Prime and Disney don't charge extra.
Character is Innes Ireland, Graham Hill, Jacques Lafitte, Patrick Tambay, Mario, Keke.
Lewis is not a character he is a puppet for his management team to spit out stuff that he wants now and then.
I would say Seb was a character.
People will say Kimi, he was an individual, but he had no character unless you call being rude and obtuse that. The two are fairly easy to confuse it seem!
Lewis is not a character he is a puppet for his management team to spit out stuff that he wants now and then.
I would say Seb was a character.
People will say Kimi, he was an individual, but he had no character unless you call being rude and obtuse that. The two are fairly easy to confuse it seem!
LukeBrown66 said:
My point simply was that even though the races were boring, there was always the jeopardy of unreliability
Cars may be more reliable than previous decades but we've seen it has compromised Ferrari last year. SC, FCY can throw a curveball. I'm sure PhilAsia will gladly assist in reminding you about Abu Dhabi 2021.
LukeBrown66 said:
I would also add more than one tyre manufacturer adds to this in any form of racing, I can recall one morning waking up to find Makoto Tamada had won a MotoGP race in Brazil, That was staggering and it was all about tyres, those sort of tings are refreshing, different and force people to come up with new and better ways. Byes it adds costs, but does it really, does having two or three companies really add that much to costs? Most companies only want it so they can secure that deal and money for years, that finance, and organisers want it for stability reasons, without realising that a tyre battle can often make the overall package more exciting. Yes there are pros and cons, but overall more pros for me
What happened the last time there was a tyre war in MotoGP? It widened the gulf between the have and have nots to the extent Rossi switched to Bridgestone tyres from Michelin.Speaking of Rossi. MotoGP lacks personalities, characters, individuals, call it what you will. The next-gen riders are all homogenized and happy to backslap each other with big grins. You couldn't tell one rider apart from the other with their personalities.
In F1: cheeky chappy Lando, prefect/head boy Russell, Albon was like lost puppy who found a home with Williams, and Max is like Senna but without an ounce of charisma.
entropy said:
LukeBrown66 said:
My point simply was that even though the races were boring, there was always the jeopardy of unreliability
Cars may be more reliable than previous decades but we've seen it has compromised Ferrari last year. SC, FCY can throw a curveball. I'm sure PhilAsia will gladly assist in reminding you about Abu Dhabi 2021.
PhilAsia said:
Thanks for the vote of confidence entrophy. Not sure, but was this what you wanted me to post as a reminder, or something else?
I know you get flak for posting this so often...But never stop. The guy that decided AD21 result contradicted himself and his earlier judgement that affected an earlier GP - that should always be on people's mind when they consider the validity of Max's first WDC.
There are other meme's available for the validity of his second - mostly involving very expensive sandwiches.
TheDeuce said:
PhilAsia said:
Thanks for the vote of confidence entrophy. Not sure, but was this what you wanted me to post as a reminder, or something else?
I know you get flak for posting this so often...But never stop. The guy that decided AD21 result contradicted himself and his earlier judgement that affected an earlier GP - that should always be on people's mind when they consider the validity of Max's first WDC.
There are other meme's available for the validity of his second - mostly involving very expensive sandwiches.
the fiasco still impacts our sport.
In their defense, the above does not detract from RB's overall great teamwork, nor Max's often sublime driving....but as a sporting achievement they both deserve to gain that success in a way that all F1 fans can salute.
PhilAsia said:
In their defense, the above does not detract from RB's overall great teamwork, nor Max's often sublime driving....but as a sporting achievement they both deserve to gain that success in a way that all F1 fans can salute.
Why do they 'deserve' that? Couldn't they could have simply not cheated in the first place?Hard to compare the MotoGP era pre and post tyre war. All it did was make teams realise their bikes were not that bad, but it also added intrigue, walls in the garage, that is all great stuff to see and read about. I couldn't care less if it widened the gap, that is always gong to happen, big teams find the money and team to developed its what they do. I do not want 50% of the grid on Ducatis which is what you have now and losing teams like Suzuki, Yamaha 1 team only that is nothing to do with tyres!
Initially it was amazing, teams that had no chance could win races, there was a scramble for contracts, no downside to me, or in F1
F1 is stale it is going to be a boring year, and as usual the sport shoots itself in the foot just as it garners a huge audience. Not any teams fault, but people will expect it to improve and if it does not, they will walk away.
Initially it was amazing, teams that had no chance could win races, there was a scramble for contracts, no downside to me, or in F1
F1 is stale it is going to be a boring year, and as usual the sport shoots itself in the foot just as it garners a huge audience. Not any teams fault, but people will expect it to improve and if it does not, they will walk away.
paulguitar said:
PhilAsia said:
In their defense, the above does not detract from RB's overall great teamwork, nor Max's often sublime driving....but as a sporting achievement they both deserve to gain that success in a way that all F1 fans can salute.
Why do they 'deserve' that? Couldn't they could have simply not cheated in the first place?PhilAsia said:
paulguitar said:
PhilAsia said:
In their defense, the above does not detract from RB's overall great teamwork, nor Max's often sublime driving....but as a sporting achievement they both deserve to gain that success in a way that all F1 fans can salute.
Why do they 'deserve' that? Couldn't they could have simply not cheated in the first place?The problem is multifaceted and Sky’s influence is at the centre of this modern day F1.
The brief in F1 for the 2014 season was these boring engines with hybrid technology which were developed at considerable cost. Because of the expense of building the engines and the technology, the teams that got it right from the get go, Mercedes, had the chance to dominate the sport for 8 years. Unchallenged. The sport accepted this and looked forward to the 2022 change of regs while ensuring with the budget cap and other cost capping initiates, that it is near on impossible to catch up during the season. RBR achieved it at the final season but they needed a leg up to win the WDC.
So, now that RBR are dominating and Merc will not be able to catch up during the season, we have to look forward to the 24 season to see a challenge to Max and RBR. The 23 season is already over after just 1 race, and realistically RBR will not be challenged until the new regs in 2026.
How will the sport react to the reality that this competition is over and done with 1 race into a 23 race season? They’ll try to convince us that Alonso could win the championship, or a race. Merc will make a come back and LH will get his 8th title, or Ferrari have this upgrade coming at Bacu that’s going to change the pecking order. It won’t of course, but the show must go on and tv viewing figures are important.
For all intents and purposes we’re getting what we deserve. If we want change we’ll have to vote with a viewing choices.
The brief in F1 for the 2014 season was these boring engines with hybrid technology which were developed at considerable cost. Because of the expense of building the engines and the technology, the teams that got it right from the get go, Mercedes, had the chance to dominate the sport for 8 years. Unchallenged. The sport accepted this and looked forward to the 2022 change of regs while ensuring with the budget cap and other cost capping initiates, that it is near on impossible to catch up during the season. RBR achieved it at the final season but they needed a leg up to win the WDC.
So, now that RBR are dominating and Merc will not be able to catch up during the season, we have to look forward to the 24 season to see a challenge to Max and RBR. The 23 season is already over after just 1 race, and realistically RBR will not be challenged until the new regs in 2026.
How will the sport react to the reality that this competition is over and done with 1 race into a 23 race season? They’ll try to convince us that Alonso could win the championship, or a race. Merc will make a come back and LH will get his 8th title, or Ferrari have this upgrade coming at Bacu that’s going to change the pecking order. It won’t of course, but the show must go on and tv viewing figures are important.
For all intents and purposes we’re getting what we deserve. If we want change we’ll have to vote with a viewing choices.
I dumped the subscription for SKY years ago, not least for political reasons given the owners are the scourge of the planet amongst others. This and the fact the presenters are largely unbearable particularly that fat prick with the mic trying desperately to live in the shadows of Murray.
Brundle needs to retire along with his blazer. This seasons championship is going to be over by the summer break though no doubt some Perez trolls will disagree.
Most of the ‘characters’ are hopelessly one dimensional and overhyped or just plain unlikable.
I wish they would half the budget go back to the drawing board and stop pretending the cars have any relevance to ecological concerns. That and some tyres that can run flat out for half a race without destroying themselves.
Brundle needs to retire along with his blazer. This seasons championship is going to be over by the summer break though no doubt some Perez trolls will disagree.
Most of the ‘characters’ are hopelessly one dimensional and overhyped or just plain unlikable.
I wish they would half the budget go back to the drawing board and stop pretending the cars have any relevance to ecological concerns. That and some tyres that can run flat out for half a race without destroying themselves.
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