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What exactly do we mean by lack of vin in this case?
All the vin plates have been removed?
Presumably as a result of being stolen and recovered?
So it's impossible to confirm the identity of the car?
Surely in this day and age the vin could be electronically recorded in the ecu to confirm the identity of the car?
All the vin plates have been removed?
Presumably as a result of being stolen and recovered?
So it's impossible to confirm the identity of the car?
Surely in this day and age the vin could be electronically recorded in the ecu to confirm the identity of the car?
I'd avoid Copart like the plague if you dont know what you're doing.
Far too many chancers buying heavily crashed damaged cars from it or other sites, tidying them up a little so they dont look just as bad and running them through the auction again.
The way around this is to make sure the car you're buying from Copart has been put through by an insurance company and not a private enttiy. Supposedly you can tell this through the last digit on the windscreen that they have usually noted on a yellow or white sticker, however it can be quite hard to make out sometimes due to the s
te quality of the pictures.
Oh and also do one of those HPI checks that also checks the crash damaged auctions and records their sale and pictures too.
Edit to add: i know this from experience when i bought a motorhome from Copart last year
Far too many chancers buying heavily crashed damaged cars from it or other sites, tidying them up a little so they dont look just as bad and running them through the auction again.
The way around this is to make sure the car you're buying from Copart has been put through by an insurance company and not a private enttiy. Supposedly you can tell this through the last digit on the windscreen that they have usually noted on a yellow or white sticker, however it can be quite hard to make out sometimes due to the s
te quality of the pictures.Oh and also do one of those HPI checks that also checks the crash damaged auctions and records their sale and pictures too.
Edit to add: i know this from experience when i bought a motorhome from Copart last year
Edited by Paddymcc on Tuesday 21st March 09:51
Edited by Paddymcc on Tuesday 21st March 10:00
Dylano said:
What exactly do we mean by lack of vin in this case?
All the vin plates have been removed?
Presumably as a result of being stolen and recovered?
So it's impossible to confirm the identity of the car?
Surely in this day and age the vin could be electronically recorded in the ecu to confirm the identity of the car?
The ad says the VIN has been replaced. It may have been replaced with a stick-on plate with the original VIN. The majority of us are just advising caution. All the vin plates have been removed?
Presumably as a result of being stolen and recovered?
So it's impossible to confirm the identity of the car?
Surely in this day and age the vin could be electronically recorded in the ecu to confirm the identity of the car?
Paddymcc said:
I'd avoid Copart like the plague if you dont know what you're doing.
Far too many chancers buying heavily crashed damaged cars from it or other sites, tidying them up a little so they dont look just as bad and running them through the auction again.
The way around this is to make sure the car you're buying from Copart has been put through by an insurance company and not a private enttiy. Supposedly you can tell this through the last digit on the windscreen that they have usually noted on a yellow or white sticker, however it can be quite hard to make out sometimes due to the ste quality of the pictures.
I have watched a few YouTube videos on buying cars from Copart and this is always the advice given, only buy cars direct from the insurance company.Far too many chancers buying heavily crashed damaged cars from it or other sites, tidying them up a little so they dont look just as bad and running them through the auction again.
The way around this is to make sure the car you're buying from Copart has been put through by an insurance company and not a private enttiy. Supposedly you can tell this through the last digit on the windscreen that they have usually noted on a yellow or white sticker, however it can be quite hard to make out sometimes due to the s
te quality of the pictures.Even experienced buyers such as Salvage Rebuilds UK and Matt Armstrong have been caught out with tidied up cars that are far worse than they appear in the pictures once the new (often not from the same model as in Matt Armstrong's C63 AMG) parts are removed.
Edited to add, bits sometimes go "missing" as well, Saving Salvage bought a Porsche recently that was "missing" one of the carbon ceramic brake discs.....
Edited by Joey Deacon on Tuesday 21st March 10:10
You'd need your head read to get involved with something like this.
A Disco 4 with unknown identity, stickered up in business livery and an odd wheel? If the unknown identity wasn't enough to put you off (and it should be), the clues are all there that this thing is more than likely hiding horrors you won't know about until after it's become a nice garden ornament for you...
I wouldn't touch this for any money. I'd expect it to be bought for export where it's (very) dubious past can be easily erased.....
A Disco 4 with unknown identity, stickered up in business livery and an odd wheel? If the unknown identity wasn't enough to put you off (and it should be), the clues are all there that this thing is more than likely hiding horrors you won't know about until after it's become a nice garden ornament for you...
I wouldn't touch this for any money. I'd expect it to be bought for export where it's (very) dubious past can be easily erased.....
dmsims said:
DickyC said:
The replaced VIN might be a problem.
and the self destructing engine
They can't all be wrong uns or Copart wouldn't stay in business. You just have to be careful.
If I was attempting it for the first time, I'd try something less ambitious. Same lessons, less money.
DickyC said:
Not all Copart vehicles are damaged. I sold my truck through them, just used them as an auction. It was undamaged and had an MoT. It was just a bit tired and I didn't want the agro of selling it privately.
That will have affected it's price quite badlyEverything sold at a Salvage Auction ends up with a marker on the better checks - even non recorded stuff like yours
KTMsm said:
DickyC said:
Not all Copart vehicles are damaged. I sold my truck through them, just used them as an auction. It was undamaged and had an MoT. It was just a bit tired and I didn't want the agro of selling it privately.
That will have affected it's price quite badlyEverything sold at a Salvage Auction ends up with a marker on the better checks - even non recorded stuff like yours
From their website: Copart car auctions have something for everyone — used car buyers, dismantlers, dealers, body shops, salvage buyers and individuals.
I'll agree having Copart involved in a car's history would put off some buyers but it shouldn't.
DickyC said:
KTMsm said:
DickyC said:
Not all Copart vehicles are damaged. I sold my truck through them, just used them as an auction. It was undamaged and had an MoT. It was just a bit tired and I didn't want the agro of selling it privately.
That will have affected it's price quite badlyEverything sold at a Salvage Auction ends up with a marker on the better checks - even non recorded stuff like yours
From their website: Copart car auctions have something for everyone — used car buyers, dismantlers, dealers, body shops, salvage buyers and individuals.
I'll agree having Copart involved in a car's history would put off some buyers but it shouldn't.
I also know that when I checked a bike it showed as a FAIL on HPi yet not recorded, the reason given was "Sold at salvage auction" it meant I couldn't sell it as HPI clear so had to reduce the price
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