Boris Johnson-Prime Minister (Vol 8)
Discussion
monkfish1 said:
Hmmm. A valid point, except that they all lie, most of the time. Both PM and MP's
Why the interest in this particular lie?
If we are going to investigate lies, lets do them all.
It’s been done to death and unless you’ve been living under a rock or diet exclusively on the Daily Bile, you’d know that what our former PM has been up to is without precedent. Why the interest in this particular lie?
If we are going to investigate lies, lets do them all.
The stories are everywhere if you could be bothered, which you obviously can’t. He is Just William holding the catapult behind his back, a cunning, clever confection of a human being without a conscience and with only one single interest in life, himself.
I hope he really is gone this time, but I fear not.
Blue62 said:
monkfish1 said:
Hmmm. A valid point, except that they all lie, most of the time. Both PM and MP's
Why the interest in this particular lie?
If we are going to investigate lies, lets do them all.
It’s been done to death and unless you’ve been living under a rock or diet exclusively on the Daily Bile, you’d know that what our former PM has been up to is without precedent. Why the interest in this particular lie?
If we are going to investigate lies, lets do them all.
The stories are everywhere if you could be bothered, which you obviously can’t. He is Just William holding the catapult behind his back, a cunning, clever confection of a human being without a conscience and with only one single interest in life, himself.
I hope he really is gone this time, but I fear not.
However, the frequency and seriousness of self-serving Johnson’s lies take it to a much higher level than most in Parliament
Escort3500 said:
Exactly. We all know that most politicians of all hues and at all levels lie; to varying degrees it’s a default setting.
However, the frequency and seriousness of self-serving Johnson’s lies take it to a much higher level than most in Parliament
A “much higher level”? Really? You consider Boris’ porky pies a higher level that Blair’s 45minute deployment of WMDs and off to war we go!However, the frequency and seriousness of self-serving Johnson’s lies take it to a much higher level than most in Parliament
Garvin said:
Escort3500 said:
Exactly. We all know that most politicians of all hues and at all levels lie; to varying degrees it’s a default setting.
However, the frequency and seriousness of self-serving Johnson’s lies take it to a much higher level than most in Parliament
A “much higher level”? Really? You consider Boris’ porky pies a higher level that Blair’s 45minute deployment of WMDs and off to war we go!However, the frequency and seriousness of self-serving Johnson’s lies take it to a much higher level than most in Parliament
"what about they cry, WHAT ABOUT!"
Blair, you may have noticed is no longer PM, no longer an MP.
Garvin said:
Escort3500 said:
Exactly. We all know that most politicians of all hues and at all levels lie; to varying degrees it’s a default setting.
However, the frequency and seriousness of self-serving Johnson’s lies take it to a much higher level than most in Parliament
A “much higher level”? Really? You consider Boris’ porky pies a higher level that Blair’s 45minute deployment of WMDs and off to war we go!However, the frequency and seriousness of self-serving Johnson’s lies take it to a much higher level than most in Parliament
sugerbear said:
this is laughable, the tories would have done exactly the same, they wouldn't have sided with the French, they would have even more accommodating of the Americans demands than Blair was.
It is highly debateable though whether they would have issued such a blatant lie as the 45 minute dossier though. That is more the Campbell school of spin, later satirised in "In the loop". JagLover said:
sugerbear said:
this is laughable, the tories would have done exactly the same, they wouldn't have sided with the French, they would have even more accommodating of the Americans demands than Blair was.
It is highly debateable though whether they would have issued such a blatant lie as the 45 minute dossier though. That is more the Campbell school of spin, later satirised in "In the loop". 
ker was on Blind Date once, in dungarees and no shoes.There you go, there's some equally pointless and baseless speculation to go along with yours.
Rumblestripe said:
Garvin said:
Escort3500 said:
Exactly. We all know that most politicians of all hues and at all levels lie; to varying degrees it’s a default setting.
However, the frequency and seriousness of self-serving Johnson’s lies take it to a much higher level than most in Parliament
A “much higher level”? Really? You consider Boris’ porky pies a higher level that Blair’s 45minute deployment of WMDs and off to war we go!However, the frequency and seriousness of self-serving Johnson’s lies take it to a much higher level than most in Parliament
"what about they cry, WHAT ABOUT!"
Blair, you may have noticed is no longer PM, no longer an MP.
The challenge was about higher levels and seriousness that referred to all politicians. You obviously consider Blair’s misdemeanour which significantly damaged the UK less serious than Boris’.
Edited by Garvin on Friday 24th March 11:01
sugerbear said:
Garvin said:
Escort3500 said:
Exactly. We all know that most politicians of all hues and at all levels lie; to varying degrees it’s a default setting.
However, the frequency and seriousness of self-serving Johnson’s lies take it to a much higher level than most in Parliament
A “much higher level”? Really? You consider Boris’ porky pies a higher level that Blair’s 45minute deployment of WMDs and off to war we go!However, the frequency and seriousness of self-serving Johnson’s lies take it to a much higher level than most in Parliament
Garvin said:
Escort3500 said:
Exactly. We all know that most politicians of all hues and at all levels lie; to varying degrees it’s a default setting.
However, the frequency and seriousness of self-serving Johnson’s lies take it to a much higher level than most in Parliament
A “much higher level”? Really? You consider Boris’ porky pies a higher level that Blair’s 45minute deployment of WMDs and off to war we go!However, the frequency and seriousness of self-serving Johnson’s lies take it to a much higher level than most in Parliament
blueg33 said:
Garvin said:
Escort3500 said:
Exactly. We all know that most politicians of all hues and at all levels lie; to varying degrees it’s a default setting.
However, the frequency and seriousness of self-serving Johnson’s lies take it to a much higher level than most in Parliament
A “much higher level”? Really? You consider Boris’ porky pies a higher level that Blair’s 45minute deployment of WMDs and off to war we go!However, the frequency and seriousness of self-serving Johnson’s lies take it to a much higher level than most in Parliament
Garvin said:
blueg33 said:
Garvin said:
Escort3500 said:
Exactly. We all know that most politicians of all hues and at all levels lie; to varying degrees it’s a default setting.
However, the frequency and seriousness of self-serving Johnson’s lies take it to a much higher level than most in Parliament
A “much higher level”? Really? You consider Boris’ porky pies a higher level that Blair’s 45minute deployment of WMDs and off to war we go!However, the frequency and seriousness of self-serving Johnson’s lies take it to a much higher level than most in Parliament
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001k83m
Garvin said:
A pure subjective response based on no evidence whatsoever. Be that as it may it’s irrelevant to the discussion. The subject is about the seriousness of Boris’ lies being at a “much higher level”. History proves this not to be the case unless you consider dragging the UK into an illegal war by fabricating evidence to Parliament less severe than quaffing a bit of cake and a bit of fizz.
That covers the seriousness part. What about the frequency?Riff Raff said:
Garvin said:
blueg33 said:
Garvin said:
Escort3500 said:
Exactly. We all know that most politicians of all hues and at all levels lie; to varying degrees it’s a default setting.
However, the frequency and seriousness of self-serving Johnson’s lies take it to a much higher level than most in Parliament
A “much higher level”? Really? You consider Boris’ porky pies a higher level that Blair’s 45minute deployment of WMDs and off to war we go!However, the frequency and seriousness of self-serving Johnson’s lies take it to a much higher level than most in Parliament
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001k83m
Garvin said:
sugerbear said:
Garvin said:
Escort3500 said:
Exactly. We all know that most politicians of all hues and at all levels lie; to varying degrees it’s a default setting.
However, the frequency and seriousness of self-serving Johnson’s lies take it to a much higher level than most in Parliament
A “much higher level”? Really? You consider Boris’ porky pies a higher level that Blair’s 45minute deployment of WMDs and off to war we go!However, the frequency and seriousness of self-serving Johnson’s lies take it to a much higher level than most in Parliament
Oh that's right, it has no legal effect. Because it's irrelevant.
It's all subjective, though, despite your appeals to "history proves this". For someone who watched their Mum die through a care home window, and then couldn't hold a funeral for her, maybe they would be put out by Johnson quaffing champagne and eating cake in a manner contrary to the law at the same time more than by Blair's manipulations.
Garvin said:
Riff Raff said:
Garvin said:
blueg33 said:
Garvin said:
Escort3500 said:
Exactly. We all know that most politicians of all hues and at all levels lie; to varying degrees it’s a default setting.
However, the frequency and seriousness of self-serving Johnson’s lies take it to a much higher level than most in Parliament
A “much higher level”? Really? You consider Boris’ porky pies a higher level that Blair’s 45minute deployment of WMDs and off to war we go!However, the frequency and seriousness of self-serving Johnson’s lies take it to a much higher level than most in Parliament
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001k83m
Bannock said:
How far back does "what about" have legal effect? How does Blair's despicable behaviour serve to exonerate Boris Johnson's despicable behaviour? Can we "what about" Anthony Eden and Suez? Thatcher and the Poll Tax? Pitt the Younger and Prince George's disappearing socks?
We are talking of lying and misleading parliament. The poll tax was misguided but not as far as I am aware based upon a lie.Eden and Suez was the exact same scenario, he lied about what he had prearranged with the Israelis and French. He resigned due to both this and the failure of the policy.
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